No Accepted Medical Use? Three Perspectives on Medical Cannabis

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  1. Anonymous says:

    If schizophrenia is not of sudden onset, the corollary is equally likely: those who are schizophrenic smoke to alleviate symptoms.

    Certainly there is evidence that drinking suppresses the voices to some extent.

    No one wants to be crazy — we all manage our symptoms as best we can.

  2. Ugly Canuck says:

    Anon: wait there’s more!

    http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=8107

    http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7267

    Marijuana use is a health issue: not a matter for police and prisons.

  3. Anonymous says:

    Marijuana may not cause serious damage, but it can be very unpleasant to be around – some people get headaches from it even a fair distance away. If it does become legal, and it probably should, I hope it still has some restrictions attached, the way tobacco does now.

  4. mgfarrelly says:

    I love the brave “ANON” posters citing how adolescents smoking pot is bad.

    Really? How about kids drinking Scotch? Is that bad? Should 14 year olds be able to rent cars? How about 12 year olds smoking a pack of Luckys to make their Don Drape costume just perfect?

    We have age restrictions on many products and services, there’s no reason we couldn’t have them on marijuana.

    I’ve never used the stuff personally, and have no interest. I don’t drink either, just not a fan of intoxicants. But I worked in an AIDS hospice when I was in high school. I saw patients whose loved ones brought in “special brownies” and how it dramatically improved the quality of life for those patients.

    There’s no reason cannabis can’t be regulated for adult consumption. Cut the knees out from the drug cartels, stop throwing billions after billions in the drug war and start making some money off taxes. That’s an argument even an Orange County conservative can love. :)

  5. Baldhead says:

    Definitely legalisation and regulation will work in delaying the start of use- it certainly worked for tobacco. Average age to start 20 years ago was between 12 and 15. Now that number has moved to 17- 20, after aggressive ads about the dangers, and probably more significantly- heavy fines on stores found selling to minors

  6. Anonymous says:

    From Medscape Medical News
    Smoking Marijuana Eases Chronic Neuropathic Pain
    Fran Lowry
    Authors and Disclosures
    August 30, 2010 — Smoking cannabis reduces chronic neuropathic pain and also improves sleep, according to new research published today in the Canadian Medical Association Journal.

    A single inhalation of 25 mg of 9.4% tetrahydrocannabinol herbal cannabis 3 times a day for 5 days was sufficient to achieve these outcomes, lead study author Mark A. Ware, MBBS, from McGill University Health Center, Montreal, Canada, told Medscape Medical News in an interview.

    “Patients have been reporting that cannabis helps control their pain, and they have been saying so for a long time,” Dr. Ware said. “At the time that we had secured the funding and began the trial, there had been no clinical trials that had established this or investigated it.”

    In addition, a large body of scientific knowledge is emerging abound the role of cannabinoid receptors and cannabinoid ligands in the human body, providing a potential scientific explanation as to why cannabinoids would be analgesic, he added. “So the 2 main supports came together, and in Canada at the time, there was an environment where we were able to secure funding sufficient for studies of this.”

    Posttraumatic and Postsurgical Neuropathy

    The study included 21 individuals older than 18 years (mean age, 45.4 years) with posttraumatic or postsurgical neuropathic pain lasting for at least 3 months. They were randomly assigned to receive cannabis at 4 potencies — 0%, 2.5%, 6%, and 9.4% tetrahydrocannabinol — during 4 periods in a crossover design. Each period lasted 14 days and began with 5 days of cannabis use followed by a 9-day washout period.

    The cannabis doses were delivered in a single smoked inhalation using a titanium pipe. Patients self-administered the first dose of each period under supervision and were instructed to inhale for 5 seconds while the cannabis was lit, hold the smoke in their lungs for 10 seconds, and then exhale. They self-administered the remaining doses for each period at home.

    The participants were allowed to continue their routine medications, and the use of acetaminophen as breakthrough analgesia was also permitted.

    Pain intensity was measured using an 11-item numeric rating scale that used “no pain” and “worst pain possible” as anchors.

    The study found that the higher dose of cannabis was the most efficient in reducing pain. The average daily pain intensity was 5.4 with the 9.4% tetrahydrocannabinol cannabis dose compared with 6.1 with the 0% or placebo dose (95% confidence interval, 0.02 – 1.4; P = .023).

    In addition, participants reported significantly more drowsiness and reported getting to sleep more easily, faster, and with fewer periods of wakefulness when taking the 9.4% dose than when taking the 0% dose (P < .05). The higher dose also improved anxiety and depression compared with the placebo dose.

    Blind Held; Studies Feasible

    “It was feared that participants would know right away if they were smoking cannabis because of the acute psychoactive effects of the drug, but our results do not support this,” Dr. Ware noted. “They do show that short-term placebo-controlled trials of smoked cannabis are feasible.”

    He would like his study to act as a stimulus for other studies on cannabis and pain relief.

    “Studies of this kind can be done. Ours was difficult to do because it was the first time we had done anything like this. We were breaking new ground with regard to regulations and so on, but it is possible. Having done it once, it’s not as difficult to do it again. So our results raise the possibility of extending the study for a longer duration, or being able to look at safety issues, and so on. It is possible to do a scientific trial with this compound. Your political views shouldn’t matter. This is just good science,” Dr. Ware said.

    In a related commentary, Henry J. McQuay, DM, from Balliol College, Oxford, United Kingdom, writes that the study authors should be congratulated for tackling the question of whether cannabis helps in neuropathic pain, “particularly given that the regulatory hurdles for their trial must have been a nightmare.”

    He concludes that the study “adds to the trickle of evidence that cannabis may help some of the patients who are struggling at present.”

    Dr. Ware has disclosed no relevant financial relationships. Dr. McQuay reports financial relationships with Reckitt Benckiser, Pfizer Data Safety and Monitoring Board, Archimedes, Esteve, Sanofi, Ratiopharm, Sandoz, and Grunenthal. He has received royalties for a textbook on the subject of pain.

  7. Teller says:

    Wonder if it’s possible to get a medical prescription for prostitutes?

  8. Evil Paul says:

    I wouldn’t hang my hat on the argument that the “no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.” phrase is the problem. Heroin has medically accepted uses (in the UK at least) under the name diamorphine. Fact is, Heroin is a brand name, developed by Bayer (who also developed capital-A Aspirin) for medical applications, so while it may not have been used medicinally for “thousands of years”‘ it’s true to say that heroin has always had a medical use.

  9. HiTek LoLife says:

    I’m sorry to burst anyone’s bubble here, but I must seriously take issue with the notion that one cannot overdose on marijuana. Are memories so short that we have already forgotten this tragedy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU Absolutely heart-wrenching.

  10. Ambiguity says:

    I’d like to see stats on how many people using medical marijuana just have the ‘scrip to get high.

    It’s probably pretty high (excuse the pin). Funny thing is, though, some people consider that a bad thing!

  11. IanGun says:

    I think the real problem here is that, like the “You can Make clothes and Paper from it!” crowd, the real backers of these arguments just want to get high.

    Sure hemp is an amazing and far less destructive crop than say cotton or harvesting trees, sure it has many benefits to the terminally or just physically ill, but what percentage of the people advocating marijuana use really want it for that?

    Trust me, if beer was made illegal today, you’d see all sorts of effort going to to showing how “beneficial” it is for people. If you want to make marijuana legal, fine by me, but don’t insult our intelligence and claim the average stoner wants it legal “to help little sick kids”…

  12. jamiethehutt says:

    And here is a study where cannabis is shown to alleviate psychotic symptoms of schizophrenia as well as traditional medication methods.

    What the Annon poster doesn’t seem to realize is that correlation does not imply causation. It may in fact be that schizophrenics are more likely to smoke cannabis because it alleviates symptoms that they are having.

    Also 6% is nothing.

  13. Ugly Canuck says:

    Matrijuana use and schizophrenia: an associative relation, not causal.
    Anybody ever suffer mental health problems from being arrested, etc, for marijuana while young?
    Might be an even worse evil, no?
    And…where’s the significant increase in the incidence of schizophrenica, seeing as we’ve had forty+ years of marijuana use?
    I’d have thought there’s be a flood, if the relation was causal.
    Marijuana makes peole crazy??
    Pure FUD.

  14. Anonymous says:

    I have a hypothesis about cancer, HIV and cannabis. I think that when cannabis was banned, no longer than a few years after that, cancer and HIV started to develop in people. Because less people were using cannabis.

  15. txhoudini says:

    Who cares if it has medical qualities?

    We should legalize it because it appears to be pretty normal for humans to want to intoxicate themselves once in a while. And marijuana is the safest way for people to get buzzed/high/knocked off their ass. That way we won’t have kids dying from huffing paint, or drinking mass quantities of cough syrup, (insert endless list of people doing stupid things with legal substances in search of the ultimate high), etc, etc.

    If people get relief from their chronic pain and such, excellent. The fact of the matter is though that the majority of people who support legalization want to get high safely and legally… And there is nothing wrong with that.

    • Anonymous says:

      I just want to say I am in chronic pain and live in a state that it is illegal and I suffer emmensly on a daily basis. I have been dx with Fibromyalgia,Spinal Stenosis,DDD of Cervical,lumbar & Hip/Joint,Spondylosis, Myofascial Pain Syndrome..oh the list goes on.
      I thought @ moving, but I am an only child and my parents are on up there in age. I need them too since I can barely do for myself. I am basically bedridden and it makes it so hard when you have two young boys that need you.
      I discovered it when I was in severe pain and I had just got ready to replace my Fentanyl Transdermal Patch and OMG…there wasn’t one. I had forgot to get my refill. I didn’t know what to do,so the first thing was to get the one I just took off and try to put it back on as good as I could. IT was a Saturday as well(my doc closed that day). GREAT. My friend just happened to come over during that frustrating time calling the Pharmacist trying to explain. The pharm. new that I got my presc. there each month so he forwarded me one until I got my refill Mon. In the meantime, I couldn’t get anyone on the phone to get them to go and pick my presc. up. So, I was just a little frustrated bc it had been a long time since I took the patch off in the first place and my pain was coming on. The stress aggravated it more. My friend offered to smoke and I smoke ciggerettes anyway, but I was not sure of it. I had heard all of these stories as a kid how it fries your brain. Well, Iknew my friend was an intelligent guy so I tried it. My pain was gone in less than 5min. IT IS A MIRACLE DRUG.
      I wish they would legalize it. It would benefit so many people and I don’t drink and I see how many people are getting killed everyday by drunk drivers. I do smoke cig. however, I am gong to quit. I am. Now, if they legalize MJ I would smoke it so I won’t be damaging my liver anymore than I probably already have(5yrs. taking Lortab for pain).
      Take care all and God Bless and by the way I do know that God did say in Genesis that he created all plants.trees,etc…so if HE made it,I certainly don’t see anything wrong with it.
      Thanks

    • Anonymous says:

      Don’t Smoke it. Eat it . You do not want to die like Bob ? Who died of lung cancer ?????? Am I Right !!!!

      Get Up, Stand Up, Stand Up For Your Right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • oyvinja says:

      Making marihuana legal will stop kids from doing other stupid things to get high? I think not.
      Kids are universally stupid, and will try those other things anyway.
      All it takes is one saying ‘yeah, weed is good, but do you know what happens if you smoke/huff/drink/eat *****? It’s awesome!’.
      I do see other rational reasons for legalizing it, though.

      • Cowicide says:

        Kids are universally stupid

        Brilliant.

        Speak for yourself and/or your dumb kids, thanks.

        • oyvinja says:

          Kids do things because they are cool, because their peers do them or because it sounds fun. They rarely think through/consider all the consequences of their actions. They lack the experience and knowledge to judge a lot of adult situations (i consider drug use to be an adult situation).
          All of this does not equal stupid, i’ll concede to that, but it equals stupid decisions (hopefully to be learned from). So i’ll moderate myself to say kids universally make stupid decisions. If i have offended those with exceptionally mature and smart kids, i apologize. :-)

    • pffft says:

      Who cares if it has medical qualities?

      EXACTLY! Thank you.

      Pot should be legal because it’s stupid, expensive and pointless to have it illegal.

      Further, I actually think this whole medical marijuana strategy is counterproductive. Everyone knows that it’s mostly just a pretense to legalize pot. So it just makes the legalization movement look silly. Silly because all the claims of the medical benefits of cannabis start to sound outlandish and dippy. Dishonest because it makes it seem like proponents need to trick the public into something.

  16. Jason Rizos says:

    It’s entirely possible that it is “just healthy” like anti-oxidants or Vitamin C. Sure, it will get you hazy/inebriated, for better or worse, but aside from that, it could have profound physiological benefits, not just for the terminally ill.

  17. Ugly Canuck says:

    For more:

    http://www.cannabisni.com/world-wide-cannabis-news/1499-reefer-madness-cannabis-psychosis-schizophrenia-link-hyped-up-by-the-mainstream-media

    Gee, I see that Google won’t let me access “Cannabis Culture” magazine, as it is under attack…funny, a primary organ for disseminating marijuana info being taken out like that….co-incidental, I’m sure.

  18. Annibal says:

    Agreed–but I think one of the best ways to get it legalized is to show that there are uses for it beyond recreation. To show that there are NO known consequences from it (a doctor I’ve talked to even said there’s no known cases of lung cancer from smoking it, but I don’t have anything to back that–if someone wants to look, be my guest). And, if being high is considered under and influence, which it is, then it’s already illegal to smoke and drive so there really wouldn’t be much change beyond that it wouldn’t be seen as antisocial to grow, harvest, and use a freaking plant.

    Honestly, I hate cannabis smoke. I hate smoker conversations, and I hate the smell, etc. etc.–but I am all for legalization. I see no reason why tobacco should be perfectly fine but not cannabis. Especially considering the properties of each, and what tobacco companies do to get people and keep people addicted….

    • the_headless_rabbit says:

      “To show that there are NO known consequences from it (a doctor I’ve talked to even said there’s no known cases of lung cancer from smoking it, but I don’t have anything to back that–if someone wants to look, be my guest)”
      A accept your challenge!

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

      Robert Melamede
      Received November 30, 2004; Accepted October 18, 2005.

      …there are fundamental differences in the pharmacological properties between cannabis and tobacco smoke…
      … it has not been causally linked with tobacco related cancers…
      …A connection between marijuana smoking and lung or colorectal cancer was not observed…
      …unable to demonstrate a cannabis smoke and lung cancer link, despite clearly demonstrating cannabis smoke-induced cellular damage…
      …the THC present in cannabis smoke should exert a protective effect against pro-carcinogens that require activation…
      …THC inhibits the enzyme necessary to activate some of the carcinogens found in smoke…
      …the DNA damage checkpoint mechanism should remain intact after prolonged cannabis exposure. Furthermore, nicotine promotes tumor angiogenesis whereas cannabis inhibits it…
      …current knowledge does not suggest that cannabis smoke will have a carcinogenic potential comparable to that resulting from exposure to tobacco smoke…

      (the article was released under the cc-by, so quoting this much should be perfectly legal)

      If these data are correct, when it comes to smoking things, it would appear that our ancestors banned the wrong leaf.

      Disclaimer: not a pot head, but I am a strong supporter of decriminalization, and possibly outright legalization.

  19. Anonymous says:

    I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you, to learn that the state outlaws practices based on political considerations rather than objective reasoning. And then propagates lies to justify its actions no less! Who would have thought it?

  20. Anonymous says:

    I agree with the original poster. I’m not a pot user at ALL, but wanting to get high seems a very legitimate reason to want to legalize marijuana. All the hemp-is-so-awesome rallies seem amusingly disingenuous to me. Are all these heshers really concerned about trends in industrial rope and fabric?

  21. Anonymous says:

    I’d like to see stats on how many people using medical marijuana just have the ‘scrip to get high.

  22. Anonymous says:

    Its really simple, no law should cause more harm to society than the thing its meant to protect us from.
    There really is absolutely no harm that can be caused by people smoking marijuana in their homes or having it growing wild in their yard for later use. The only reason its regulated is because of 1930′s lies/stupidity, early 1970′s propaganda and the sheer amount of money and rights they can remove from a user. Which just happens to amount to over half the population.

    Land of the free my eye. Over 1,000,000 people are arrested and jailed every year for non-violent pot related offenses. America has only 5% of the worlds human population but it has over 25% of the worlds prisoners. More than the next 8 worst nations combined…. So Im a criminal because my pursuit of happiness is smoking a joint on sunday afternoons or when my back is having spasms. Instead we are doped to high heaven on pills. I have no problem getting strong narcotics for my back pain and “heroin” pills for my spinal pain. Both of which are highly addicting and expensive. But ill be damned if I can grow some freaking plant in my yard and smoke it for free, be it recreation or pain mediation. This point in history will be looked harshly upon in the future and I caution any “hanging judges” who frown so harshly on marijuana use, for in hindsight you will appear an ignorant fool.

  23. Ugly Canuck says:

    How’s about some action on the real “dangerous drugs?

    “Extrapolating from the best available figures, the US suffers about 111,000 deaths annually from adverse drug reactions (that is, drugs prescribed and administered correctly, and leaving aside deaths from medical errors), or more than twice as many fatalities as from auto accidents. This puts adverse drug reactions as the 4th leading cause of death, and besides, adverse reactions lead to about 1.5M hospitalizations per year (the total damage toll being underestimated because we lack good data for nonhospital settings).”

    From:

    http://brodyhooked.blogspot.com/2010/08/how-many-new-drugs-are-lemons-ask.html

    Thanks to Naked Capitalism for the link:

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/09/big-pharma-even-worse-than-used-cars-as-a-market-for-lemons.html

    Gee, I wonder if marijuana has some use as an anti-depressant?
    Or in end-of-life palliative care? Oh, but any and all research about such possible uses is strictly banned, for our own good, by people who know so much better than we do “what is good for us”.

  24. Anonymous says:

    In a police handbook on about page 145 it says, Marijuana’s accepted medical uses: Cancer, aids, wasting syndrome, etc. (with about 40 accepted uses listed.)
    Just 6 pages earlier in the same book it clearly says. Marijuana is a schedule I drug and has no acceptable medical uses.

    Seems ridiculous for such an important training tool to lie but then again its only repeating the laws that are also a lie and ridiculous.

  25. Ugly Canuck says:

    Anon # 27:
    Here’s something for you to consider:

    http://www.lycaeum.org/~sky/data/cooking.html

  26. Deidzoeb says:

    NPR just reported this morning about a “sharp” increase in illegal drug use, with marijuana leading the list. SRLY? People still count that?

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129897596

  27. bkad says:

    It’s Mr. Rogers!

  28. Dawn deMom says:

    As someone with chronic pain (over 25 years of pelvic pain for which no cause has been found) I have struggled over the last year as to whether I should try cannabis for pain management. I am currently on morphine at levels that are prescribed to cancer patients. I live in the USA, in a state where medicinal marijuana is legal, and I voted to legalize marijuana when it was on the ballot a couple years ago. I firmly believe if the citizens of a state were given the option to choose to legalize marijuana, it would happen. If this legislation were given to Congress I believe it would not pass because of drug company lobbyists.

    I am very grateful to find this information on BB (and to read comments from both sides of the issue) because it is helping me with my decision.

    BTW, my current physician (whom I’ve been with for 15 years) does not agree with marijuana as a medicine. I am fortunate that I can go to one of many clinics around the state to consult with a doctor who can help me obtain my MM card, should I choose to pursue this.

  29. Anonymous says:

    Maybe it’s just synchronicity in action, but I sure have seen a lot of pot talk lately. I’d like to think the zeitgeist is shifting towards a culture where pot is legal, but there’s still a very solid resistance to it.

    I just went for a haircut earlier today and my barber – a respectable older gent – and I ended up in a conversation about drugs and their legality. We agreed that neither of us are interested in using pot, but that it ought to be made legal because it’s harmless.

    My own elderly, conservative mother has said she doesn’t understand why pot is illegal. Again, she knows it’s harmless. Her comments were prompted by a news report about a big pot bust in my town, with the cops proudly posing next to kilos of the stuff.

    Who knows, maybe it’ll be legal by the time I’m an old man. The sick old bastards who keep it criminalized ought to all be pushing up daisies by then. Maybe, a hundred years from now, they could even re-plant the opium poppies in Ben Franklin’s garden. Nobody’s going to run out there and wallow in poppies.

  30. blatantdisregard says:

    I smoke weed and have so for the past 15 years. I can attest to its painkiller properties. I’ve had two surgeries to repair herniated disks in my back that left me in quite a bit of pain. Traditional painkillers in pill form just left me tired and eventually constipated without really alleviating the pain. After toking up, I was virtually pain-free. My range of motion was better and I was able to function in a regular capacity. I actually felt less stoned than when I was on the pills. I would absolutely hit my doctor up for a scrip if it were legalized here; admittedly for both recreation and pain relief ;)

  31. robulus says:

    Does anyone who smokes it want to chime in?

    • DoctressJulia says:

      I smoke it. A lot of it. For medicinal (ADHD, PTSD, chronic back and neck pain, tendonitis) and recreational purposes. It makes me happier and improves my quality of life. Legalize it. That is all.

      • robulus says:

        Yay!

        I used to smoke tons of it. In Uni we kicked off every day with six bucket bongs, and continued from there.

        This was with absolutely no medicinal intention whatsoever.

        I self diagnosed some mild anxiety issues a while ago, and in my opinion the grass was exacerbating them, so I cut back. And now I have young kids and reality is fuzzy enough.

        But in the evening of a weekend, I do so like to sit down and get a little spaced out, enjoy a glass of red, and watch a movie or listen to some music.

  32. robulus says:

    Oh hang on that’s right, I smoke it occasionally. Yeah. Legalise it.

  33. insatiableatheist says:

    I’ve been a regular pot smoker for many years now, as are lots of my circle of friends. We have children, hold down regular jobs, pay taxes etc.
    I have no interest in industrial rope or oil and will probably only be interested in the medical benefits if I become ill.

    All we would like is to be allowed to grow our own small supply without having to meet dodgy hoodies on street corners to hand over extortionate amounts of cash to criminal gangs who don’t think twice about selling to minors, nor to live in fear of arrest for indulging in a happy, calming victimless ‘crime’.

    I’m also very sceptical of big pharma getting involved in extraction or synthesis of cannabinoidal compounds.

    @Annibal
    I LOVE the smell of good cheesy skunk, sweet yet smoky, fresh yet spicy.
    My lungs are watering. Time to skin up.

  34. Neural Kernel says:

    I smoke it, though nowhere near as much as I used to (seriously, I used to smoke a LOT…) and even the police I know personally are either for legalization or just plain don’t care. That’s for recreational use, only dealers and politicians seem to want to keep it illegal. When it comes to medical use… well, it’s a no brainer. It has thousands of years of use in various traditional medical systems, many uses have been verified by modern scientific testing, its side effects are not just mild but usually downright pleasant, it is extremely safe for almost everyone… it’s self replicating and in doing so enriches the soil and removes carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. I don’t think its hyperbole to say that it is literally insane to ban this substance.

  35. Ultan says:

    The upswing in marijuana use in the 60s and 70s did not have a correlated increase in schizophrenia. Countries with high rates of use have never been shown (so far as I know) to have higher rates of schizophrenia compared to similar countries with low use.

    It is possible that marijuana is used by latent schizophrenics in the prodromal phase as self medication, or that marijuana may sometimes be a precipitating factor in a psychotic break in those who would have eventually had one anyway – but stress is the usual precipitating factor for psychotic breaks, and marijuana often reduces stress, while on the other hand fear of being caught or actually being caught using or possessing marijuana increases stress and is a consequence of its prohibition.

    • Anonymous says:

      The upswing in marijuana use in the 60s and 70s did not have a correlated increase in schizophrenia because the marijuana grown and sold in the 60s and 70s had less than 1/50 the potency of today’s so-called marijuana.

      Pot of 2010, due to decades of hybridization and improvements in cultivation techniques, is a very, very powerful hallucinogenic drug much more akin to the 1960s LSD than the comparably extremely weak weed those hippies smoked back then.

      You are just in denial about the connection between pot and schizophrenia, just like the tobacco industry denied the cancer link for so many years.

      Today’s super high potency pot, increases the chance of developing schizophrenia in those under 16 by FOUR times, controlling for every other variable.

      Psychiatrists and neurologists publish research after research in major peer reviewed medical journals on a regular basis reconfirming over and over these same results, across the world and yet you continue to deny, deny, deny.

      You might think schizophrenia is a laughing matter but it is, in my opinion, one of the worst disease known to mankind, completely incurable, 100% debilitating and the source of a lifetime of agonizing suffering for the victim and their family. Brain cancer would be easier to deal with since either you live or die. With schizophrenia you can live to a normal lifespan, but for decade after decade as some kind of ghostly caricature of the original personality in non-stop horrific terror and suffering.

      Kids, the very group shown to be the most vulnerable to developing pot induced life long schizophrenia, are using more pot all the time, and a big part of the thanks for this should go to the organized pro pot propaganda industry which is trying to brainwash the world into believing pot is harmless and all the massive and ever increasing amounts of proven scientific evidence clearly connecting it to triggering schizophrenia are denied.

      • 2k says:

        hahahahahahahahahaha.
        wheeeee-ooo that was a good one.

      • Ultan says:

        Today’s typical pot is no more potent than the good pot of the 60s and 70s. Pot has been cultivated as a drug for thousands of years, the better cultivars have been at a high THC level for a long time. The best strains have gotten better, true – but they are still nowhere near the potency of the hashish of a century ago smoked by millions from Morocco to Nepal.

        Also, most people smoke enough to get the feeling they want, then stop. No reason to waste it. The ones who smoke more really don’t get all that much higher, usually, particularly if they smoke frequently. (Strange, but true. It may be the CBD offsetting the THC, or a neurotransmitter release effect – no body has any compelling research, so far as I know.)

        So anyway, your thesis that pot causes schizophrenia is pretty much disproven by the lack of correlation between changes in THC use within a given population as well as the lack of higher rates of schizophrenia in countries with histories of THC use. Your claim about pot being 50 times stronger today is pure drug war propaganda, and not true.

  36. kridje says:

    The government isn’t stupid. They know marijuana isn’t dangerous. All their studies on cannabis over the years have shown them that the only threat that cannabis poses is that it opens your mind. How can we be mindless, impressionable, consumer drones brainwashed by tv commercials if we are thinking for ourselves? When you use cannabis you see things more for what they truly are, you are more tuned in to nature, you appreciate art, music and people that you normally wouldn’t think twice about. Conversely, you question authority more, dismiss the media, and refuse to buy in to all the branding and consumerism that is constantly bombarding us 24/7. I’m just sayin’.

    • Anonymous says:

      I inhale, and I don’t believe a word of what you are saying. It gives me a pleasant euphoria, which makes me FEEL like I’m experiencing things at a much deeper level, but when I’m sober it seems just silly. It also makes me lazy and silly. Yup, it’s pretty awesome. I’m for legalization. Even if it doesn’t stop all of the problems (or even increases crime as the Republicrats would argue), I would like to see it given a good try. I hate to be made a criminal in my own home, hurting and bothering no one.

    • Anonymous says:

      I’m not sure if that mind-state is an effect of cannabis ingestion. It’s logical that questioning authority figures would follow the realization that they have lied to you.
      More people are realizing this lie (among many) and the denigration of the law that follows this realization should be reason enough to legalize it.

  37. Cowicide says:

    The continued war against marijuana is absolutely stupid, cruel, inhumane and downright un-American. But, then again, after the whole zenophobic “mosque at sacred ground zero but there’s strip clubs there” bullshit fiasco, I’m really starting to wonder if being an American is really worth a shit anymore and it’s become an insult to even refer to someone as American at this point.

    FUUUUUUUUUUUUU………….

  38. nadroj7 says:

    I smoke every day, and have for the last 6 years. Some people drink, some people pop pills, some people do allot of other stupid shit all of witch have “Negative Side affects” In my opinion it’s the lesser of all evils. We live on a pretty damn cool rock, we have crystals that when you apply the proper electrical charge in the presence of the right gas laser beams shoot out! We have a giant burning orb right above our heads that has the potential to give us all the free energy we could ever use! We have more bio-diversity than one scientist could ever shake a stick at. We have rocks that have compounds trapped inside them that when melted down can be combined like an elemental cook book to make an iPod or what have you. We have double rainbows, And in my opinion one of the coolest and most useful things we have is plants. Think about it some plants make tinny little packets of genetic replication (seeds) that can be stored for hundreds of years, and when its convenient and you feel like you want an apple tree just drop them in the ground put a clear liquid on the spot (a clear liquid that happens to regularly fall from the sky) and before you know it a tree that not only “magically” converts dirt into wood (witch you can build your house from), but delicious conveniently packaged ready to eat food falls from the branches. Delicious food that happens to have allot of the random vitamins and minerals we need to survive. Think about all the different awesome plants and all the things they can provide, Food is just a small portion of what plants can do for us. And there happens to be a plant that when ingested (doesn’t have to be smoked) Makes your day awesome, and fights with you loved ones seem trivial, and allows some people to come up with some really cools ideas and get allot done. Of course everybody is different and there is a myriad of different potential reactions to the stuff but in my case it’s all positive. Not to mention the industrial application of this fast growing, soil enriching, fiber. When it boils down to it, it bothers me allot that I can legally take a substance that has been synthesized from who knows what chemical and packed into a pill that I have to buy and in the process make some greedy bastard rich, to intoxicate myself. When the plant that I believe was put here to take the place of most of our pharmaceuticals and just grows out of the ground for free and isn’t a mix of a hundred different chemicals synthesized to deal with one problem while causing three more, Will get me locked up if the “MAN” finds out about my personal decision to take advantage of one of the natural rescores that should be my innate right as a human on this planet to use.

    I don’t think kids should use it, I don’t think people should operate heavy machinery while under its influence, I don’t think people that don’t like it or choose not to use it should be unconvinced by it in any way I.E shouldn’t be forced to smell the stuff if it gives them a headache. But the man limiting my right to grow and use a plant that has been around and useful long before this greed driven society that we have set up for ourselves was ever around. Personal safe responsible use in my own home or out in the woods is nobody business but my own. Blaming the reason for it being illegal on anything other than greed is BS, because I can grow it and use it for free, and that might keep me from buying a six pack or some pills from Pfizer means that the old dudes that have the money and make the laws would stand to lose some money witch goes back to greed. So until those old bastards finally die I think I will have to continue to risk my personal freedom to exercise what should be an innate right. I have a full time job with allot of necessary critical thinking and problem solving, and didn’t really have time to type all this but it struck a nerve and I definitely don’t have time to proof read it and fix all the run-ons and what not, so blame my poor sentence structure on lack of time, not me being a “pot head”

  39. starbreiz says:

    Not just a painkiller,it’s also a natural antihistamine. I have bad urticaria (hives) on top of dermacaligraphy (welts on the skin), for which there is no known cause or cure. I was taking 4 antihistamines a day, which left me drowsy and foggy. If I ingest marijuana nightly, it keeps the hives at bay. I take it before bed so it doesn’t disrupt my work, and I prefer edibles to smoking.

    Sadly, it’s not a recognized ailment for which mj is prescribed, so I went for my anxiety. This stuff is a friggin miracle, lemme tell you. Someone should do a medical study on me :)

  40. Anonymous says:

    safe ?
    no side effects ?
    Baloney !!

    You people sound exactly like the Tobacco lobby denying cigarettes cause cancer.

    Unquestioned Scientific Fact proven in study after study:

    Teenagers who start smoking marijuana before the age of sixteen are four times more likely to become schizophrenic.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2892048

    “Cannabis and schizophrenia. A longitudinal study of Swedish conscripts.

    Andréasson S, Allebeck P, Engström A, Rydberg U.

    Karolinska Institutet, Department of Social Medicine, Huddinge, Sweden.
    Abstract

    The association between level of cannabis consumption and development of schizophrenia during a 15-year follow-up was studied in a cohort of 45,570 Swedish conscripts. The relative risk for schizophrenia among high consumers of cannabis (use on more than fifty occasions) was 6.0 (95% confidence interval 4.0-8.9) compared with non-users. Persistence of the association after allowance for other psychiatric illness and social background indicated that cannabis is an independent risk factor for schizophrenia.”

    • pushmonk says:

      So, Anon, my chance of becoming a schizophrenic increases by 6% by smoking weed? That’s the only “side effect”? I’d much rather take that very slim chance as opposed to drinking, or smoking cigarettes, and having a MUCH higher chance of getting cancer. Not to mention that the study itself is in doubt of itself. Well done.

    • Ambiguity says:

      And so it’s better to create a criminal class than to treat something like schizophrenia as a health problem?

      By the way, as quoted by the other longitudinal study posted above (the British one):

      The strongest evidence that cannabis use may be a risk factor for later psychosis comes from a Swedish cohort study which found that heavy cannabis use at age 18 increased the risk of later schizophrenia sixfold. 1 2 This study could not establish whether adolescent cannabis use was a consequence of pre-existing psychotic symptoms rather than a cause.

      [Emphasis added.]

      By the way, people who quote a single study (such as the Swedish study) to support their assertions really don’t understand how science is done.

      Even if cannabis increases the incidence of schizophrenia (a big, big “if” at this point) it still begs the question: “And so, arresting millions of people is the best way to combat this health problem?”

  41. Anonymous says:

    “Cannabis use in adolescence and risk for adult psychosis: longitudinal prospective study”

    http://www.bmj.com/content/325/7374/1212.full?etoc

    British Medical Journal

    BMJ 2002; 325 : 1212 doi: 10.1136/bmj.325.7374.1212 (Published 23 November 2002)

    Papers pp 1195, 1199

    The strongest evidence that cannabis use may be a risk factor for later psychosis comes from a Swedish cohort study which found that heavy cannabis use at age 18 increased the risk of later schizophrenia sixfold. 1 2 This study could not establish whether adolescent cannabis use was a consequence of pre-existing psychotic symptoms rather than a cause. We present the first prospective longitudinal study of adolescent cannabis use as a risk factor for adult schizophreniform disorder, taking into account childhood psychotic symptoms3 antedating cannabis use.

    • dragonfrog says:

      From the conclusions of the same report you quote:

      “Our findings suggest that cannabis use among psychologically vulnerable adolescents should be strongly discouraged by parents, teachers, and health practitioners. Policy makers and law makers should concentrate on delaying onset of cannabis use.”

      So, what’s the best way of delaying the onset of cannabis use
      - leaving it illegal, so the sellers have no real incentive to avoid sales to minors, as now, or
      - legalizing it and regulating its sale similar to the regulations around alcohol and tobacco, so that its sellers would stand to lose their license if they sell to minors

      Your point, that there is in fact some evidence suggesting that cannabis does have some negative side effects, is valid. That doesn’t support continuing prohibition though (nor, I believe, did you suggest it does).

  42. Anonymous says:

    http://www.ukcia.org/research/EnvironmentAndSchizophrenia.pdf

    The Environment and Schizophrenia: The role of Cannabis Use

    Cécile Henquet1
    Robin Murray2
    Don Linszen3
    Jim van Os1,2

    1) Department of Psychiatry and Neuropsychology, South Limburg Mental Health
    Research and Teaching Network, EURON, Maastricht University, Maastricht, The
    Netherlands
    2) Division of Psychological Medicine, Institute of Psychiatry, De Crespigny Park,London, UK
    3) Department of Psychiatry, University Medical Hospital, Amsterdam, The Netherlands

    Conclusion:

    Further study of gene-environment
    interactions is likely to help elucidate the exact role of cannabis in the onset and the
    persistence of psychotic disorders but there is an urgent need for human and animal studies
    examining the biological mechanisms involved.

  43. Brainspore says:

    During alcohol prohibition it was actually possible to get a medical prescription for whiskey.

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