Second person of interest sought in Arizona shooting

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Update: This guy was just the cabbie.

Image, from a grocery store surveillance camera: "A Caucasian male, approximately 40-50 years old, dark hair, last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket," sought by the Pima County Sheriff's Dept. in Arizona in connection with yesterday's shooting. PDF Link.

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  1. I am just asking:
    Is it possible that the shooter put all that ‘crazy dribble’ on the internet as little as a few months ago to appear crazy so as to cop an insanity plea?:

    1. Think one of his last communiques said something to the effect: ‘To my friends, don’t be mad at what I did.’ A prosecuting attorney might argue the shooter knew what he was about to do and that writing ‘don’t be mad’ indicates he knew right from wrong – a fundamental stumbling block to a successful insanity plea.

    2. “Is it possible that the shooter put all that ‘crazy dribble’ on the internet as little as a few months ago to appear crazy so as to cop an insanity plea?: ”

      Doesn’t matter, the “clever insanity plea” doesn’t work outside of movies.

  2. Clearly this is the guy who showed Jared the Sarah Palin map. He lives in Area 51 and works for the CIA.

  3. That is so very clearly Killer Bob from Twin Peaks, moments before taking over the will and body of that deluded crazy young man with the obligatory “Lee” middle name. Fire has been walked with here. Bring in Special Agents Dale Cooper and Albert Rosenfield.

    1. That is so very clearly Killer Bob from Twin Peaks

      funny you should write that…that was what I was going to post.

      Anyone know why they have any reason to suspect him as having any link to the shooter?

      btw: that fellow’s (albeit blurry) appearance is so typical of the desert rats I’ve seen whenever I’ve been to certain parts of Arizona. I can almost smell the cheap beer on his breath and the tobacco on his clothing.

  4. He looks older….perhaps he is Jared’s Parent? Not sure if that would be Parent #1 or Parent #2…..

  5. FYI, regarding this guy, via Andrew Sullivan, via Fox (of all places):

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/01/a-far-right-connection.html

    http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/latest-on-shooting-of-congresswoman-giffords-motivation-anti-semitic-and-she-was-the-target/#ixzz1AYxb5SFy

    FWIW, the previous debates on this topic (the shooting overall, and attempting to pigeon hole the shooter as either left or right wing, and whether or not we should blame the Beck/Palin crowd), it might be good to keep in mind that attempting to pin down left or right can be difficult. After all, those designations were meant for the French revolutionary parliament. Also, some times the ideals and rhetoric of “fringe” or outside groups on all points of the spectrum can merge and become muddied. To take an example of from fringe to the mainstream, I think that to say that Ralph Nader and Ron Paul agree on some of our common problems is not too far off, yet one is “leftist/progressive”, the other is “rightist/libertarian”. I’ve heard folks who’d I’d or anyone really, would consider “left” agreeing with some ideology of the “far right” (including some of the ideas promoted by the sovereign citizen movement). Maybe a more helpful way of looking at political debate these days would be the level of legitimacy you think the government has and why you think that is so.

    Regarding Palin (and Beck, too), I would very much like to think that she (and he) are not legitimate political forces, as if you peel back just about anything she says and compare it with what she does, it never truly adds up. I find her to be an opportunist. She has no real coherent political views, but is a demagogue who uses platitudes that happen to jive with some views of the religious right. There are many other conservatives who, while I might not agree with them, have actual and coherent politics that we can discuss. I find it crazy that anyone can defend her (or Beck) and think she is a legitimate politician rather than celebutician. I don’t think she is directly responsible for this, but I don’t think she helped the atmosphere by appealing to the fear centers of Americans who are increasingly frustrated and angry and want to lash out at something… I wish we could just ignore her and make her go far away… Sarah Palin (and Glenn Beck) and the amount of attention she gets makes me incredibly sad. Yet tons of people listen to them, and Ralph Nader is considered an outsider nutjob, despite the fact he has a coherent and sensible political argument to make about modern society and has contributed something positive to our world during the course of his life. What does THAT say about the current state of political affairs!

    This has all been really sad, and it does not bode well for 2011. [steps down off soap box]

      1. Sure. The guys motives might have nothing to do with the American political scene. He might be so delusional that he has no grasp of what is happening. You are correct to point out that I don’t know the guys motives, but neither do you at this point. We are equally in the dark. I wanted to point out more about the language being used to discuss this particular incident (and American politics overall), rather than the particulars of the incident.

        BUT — I think my larger point — about the left/right dichotomy not being useful descriptions of what is happening in the political landscape right now in general — still stands. Especially when you look at the fringe (“legitimate”, I guess we could say — Greens and Libertarians?) and radical (those who are not “legitimate”? ELF and the Freemen?) end of politics. What we think of as the radical left and right often have similarities regarding their politics. Am I wrong on that?

      1. Here too, he isn’t taken seriously. Funny thing is, most people, when they listen to the guy for a few minutes, actually listen to what he has to say, not some condensed pundit’s take on Nader, and I mean across the political spectrum, generally find themselves in agreement with him. My generally conservative dad voted for him in 2004 because he was sick of Bush but couldn’t bring himself to vote for Kerry, after I told him to give him a listen.

    1. Do you see that one guy, who tries to blame it on “influences”, regarding wearing black, including a trenchcoat! WTF!

  6. My immediate reaction, on learning they were looking for a 50-ish man, was also to think of his dad or other male relative. Time will tell.

    1. Tatsuma, I think those followers are people who are following the Giffords channel, not people the channel was following. (And, y’know, it makes sense that her assassin was stalking her, rather than she was stalking her assassin.)

      1. Tatsuma, I think those followers are people who are following the Giffords channel, not people the channel was following. (And, y’know, it makes sense that her assassin was stalking her, rather than she was stalking her assassin.)

        MMMMmmmmm–no, Tatsuma is right. Giffords’ channel is subscribed to Classitup10 and RepIkeSkelton.

        W.

        T.

        F??

        1. That is *incredibly* strange. The channel is official: A post on Giffords’ House website has a link to the channel.

          Although, news articles say that Loughner attended previous Giffords events and there was some correspondence between Loughner and Giffords’ office. So there was some contact, at least, but it’s especially strange since Giffords wasn’t subscribing to very many channels.

      2. Look again, Anon. She’s following him. Her list of followers has over 100 people. The list of people she’s following only has two people on it – one of them is classitup10

      3. Tatsuma, thanks for bringing this info to the bb community. Upon a cursory examination of Representative Giffords youtube account there seem to be a couple inconsistencies that need some clarification, imho. Her listed age is 27 years old where her wiki states she was born in 1970. That raised my eyebrow initially. Also on the left hand side of Rep. Giffords youtube page, it states that her last login was one day ago. Around 3 hours ago when I first read the comments section on this thread, and saw the link Tsatsuma provided, the last login time stated 20 hours. It seems to me that there must be another person in control of the account or it has been hacked. There may be very little possibility that Representative Giffords has been on the youtubes in the last day to check her comments or any business like that….

        1. The idea that a Representative’s official YouTube channel would be maintained by someone else makes sense to me.

          The most mundane explanation is that whoever that person is visited Loughner’s videos when they became publicized and subscribed so they would be alerted if anything new was posted.

  7. UNICORN PLEASE!!!

    All these recent BoingBoing articles on shooting and death…

    HELP!!! XENI WHERE ARE YOU???

    1. You know what is my personal “Unicorn Chaser” for this insanity? The fact that as horrific as this stuff has been, it all happening right around the time of the new divisive Republican majority was puffing it’s chest and doing ridiculous grand-standing like reading the constitution.

      They deserve their self-important violent static to blowback on them.

      Come 2012 elections, nobody should forget this horror in any way/shape/form.

      These deaths deserve to be politicized to respect the lives lost.

      1. The fact that as horrific as this stuff has been, it all happening right around the time of the new divisive Republican majority was puffing it’s chest and doing ridiculous grand-standing like reading the constitution.

        Wait, Giffords was also reading the constitution.

  8. This is the intel op who gave the trigger word to our obligatory, three names, quiet loner killer. And maybe his primary target wasn’t Gifford but the judge? Things are never as they seem in the media.

  9. He has stepped forward. He was the cab driver and entered the store with to shooter to get change for the cab ride.

    1. This case gets weirder and weirder. Like why didn’t Loughner just give him a big tip? He was either going to jail or going to die. Don’t need $11 either way…

  10. From NYT

    Early Sunday, the authorities released a photograph taken from surveillance video of a possible accomplice in the shooting. But the man later contacted sheriff’s deputies, who determined that he was a taxi driver who dropped the suspect at the mall where the shooting took place and then entered the supermarket with him when he did not have sufficient change.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/us/politics/10giffords.html?hp

    1. Randall Flagg.

      I don’t give a damn what that stupid made for TV version says. In my mind as that book, Randall Flagg is and always will be Christopher Walken.

  11. There is no such legal term as a “Person of Interest”.

    That’s what the police say when they don’t have probable cause… or sometimes even reasonable suspicion (both legal terms), and they don’t want to be sued by saying someone is a suspect and besmirching their reputation. It’s a joke, because the person is actually a suspect in the police’s eyes.

  12. It is strange that she would “follow” (does not denote actually watching any video’s) one of her constituents who (maybe?) let her know he had a channel that she might want to check out in a venue she was dabbling in using as a communication tool?

    I mean, Occams Razor and all that.

    1. Eh. It’s mostly strange because she (or more likely, her press aide) only followed two people — one of whom would later try to assassinate her.

      But I agree that it’s probably just a coincidence, though a strange and surprising one.

  13. Just another ping that you should update this post to reflect the fact that the guy in the photo has been identified as a cab driver who merely innocently brought the shooter to the scene and investigators now do not believe he played any role in the shootings.

  14. I agree. Poor guy was just the taxi driver.

    From the New York Times:

    “Early Sunday, the authorities released a photograph taken from the surveillance video of a possible accomplice in the shooting. But the man later contacted sheriff’s deputies, who determined that he was a taxi driver who had taken the suspect to the mall where the shooting took place and then entered the supermarket with him when he did not have change for the $14 fare.”

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