Mark Frauenfelder at 12:36 pm Thu, Oct 4, 2012
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Thief steals iPhone from a baby (Via Cult of Mac)
It’s as easy as…
I hope that when he goes to jail all his cell mates find out what he’s in for.
I hope that the guys in jail stop pretend they are legitimate to judge their mates and think about what they did.
And after that, they take out their problems on that guy anyway.
Look I understand where your sentiment comes from, so this is not a personal thing, but in general comments about about how a criminal “deserves what he gets from his cell mates”, are disturbing because they are really no different than saying that “she was asking for it because she was dressed that way”.
Hopefully you’re trolling here, but I’ll assume you aren’t.
Those are _not_ the same thing. The criminal did something wrong, the girl who was “asking for it” didn’t.
This guy is a criminal, he deserves jail time and all that goes with it.
I think BunnyShank is just pointing out that justifying crime is justifying crime, if I may be tautological for a sec.
reasons the statements might be considered different:
* because one is about a woman; screw that.
* because one did something wrong; the idea of the woman being innocent because she “did nothing wrong” over she is innocent because rape is wrong, scares the ever lovin buhjeezus out of me that we still do not get it. but that’s because I am aware of the violence over centuries, which was justified as keeping women “from doing something wrong”
* this specific criminal has a fetish for prison rape and this was the least violent crime against a child he could commit to bring this about, thus he is literally asking for it: Mazel Tov.
and I’m not trolling, its a speech impediment that only comes out over the internet
That’s not exactly what I meant—I don’t support jailhouse justice or inmate abuse either. (And certainly not inmate-on-inmate sexual violence.)
I just like the mental image of this guy having to answer “what are you in for?” with “stealing from a baby.” Kind of like that part of “Alice’s Restaurant” where Arlo Guthrie alienates all the rapists and murderers by explaining he got busted for littering.
my misunderstanding, I knew there was a reason for not being able to quite place your comment correctly from everything else you have posted. thanks for clarifying
Me personally, I’m more worried about the parent sticking their 1 year old in front of brain rotting videos. They have a whole lifetime ahead of them to stare at screens…
Pretty much. I don’t really remember the age at which I first started watching TV intentionally, but I do remember that it was mostly Sesame Street, Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood, and other slow-paced, fairly calm shows.
I’ve never really watched Barney and Friends with any major attention (though I was a huge fan of the BBS door game “Barney Splat!”), what I’ve caught as I’ve surfed isn’t as calming or using as few camera cuts as I would want in a childrens’ show. I worry that too many cuts can help teach children to have short attention spans. I don’t want to see that.
SMOKE THIS PAUSE STRING!!!
Wow… I had forgotten the pause prompts…
I just remember the projectile vomit commentary, hitting the ceiling, with some of it hanging, sticking, to the ceiling, while the bulk of it came down on the floor…
barney splat was a glorious testament to what some bored stoner teenagers can accomplish with only a pirated copy of turbo pascal.
Da pause, AIIIEEEEE
Any citations for “teaching kids to have short attention spans?” Barney is for a younger group than Sesame Street was for. Essentially the same demographic as Elmo. Younger, more fascinated by colors and movement, etc. They are not meant to be paced the same because they are for different kids.
Whether there ought to be shows for very young kids at all is a different issue. There’s a chicken and egg issue, where people already have very young kids watching TV, so the content was created, but the content makes people think very young kids should watch TV.
Also, don’t steal other people’s stuff. Even Barney knows that.
Also, these days short attention spans are advantageous. Multitasking is becoming more and more common as a requirement for life.
Save for the fact that human brains don’t multi-task, they partial-task instead and both tasks suffer for it.
Just because you have a child doesn’t mean that you don’t still have to do things like shop and cook and clean. And while you’re doing those things, you still have to keep the baby from shrieking loudly. If you think that parents are going to shut down their lives to provide non-stop entertainment and enlightenment for their children, you have a very weird and distorted view of reality.
Spoken (typed) like Reality.
I almost hope you’re being sarcastic, although I doubt it.
The baby shouldn’t have had the thing in the first place. The parent was clearly not paying attention if the man was able to get that close, look around a few times, then reach in and take it. It could have easily been the child he stole.
Were you raised in front of a television? Probably. Were your parents? Grandparents? Doubtful. There must be some other way to take care of kids other than setting them in front of mind-numbing screens. Yes I do expect parents to “shut down their lives.” When you are a parent, your child is more important than living a selfish lifestyle. The way it’s going, your child will be more connected with tv characters than with you. You can provide the same stimulation as tv. Involve your kids in what you’re doing. Sing with them. Talk with them. Try actually engaging with your child and you might see the difference.
“When you are a parent, your child is more important than living a selfish lifestyle.”
Ha ha ha ha. Your child was watching Barney while you were in a store?!? The OUTRAGE! If you loved your child you’d sing with them instead of shopping! Do you think you deserve to wear clothes? SELFISH! HARLOT!
P.S. Agree that guy was able to get too close for too long, but the rest is horseshit.
When you are a parent, your child is more important than living a selfish lifestyle.
Who do you think is going to do things like provide food, shelter and clothing for the children while their parents are staring fixedly at them 24 hours per day?
Did you have toys when you were a child? If so, damn your parents. Damn them to hell for being so neglectful.
Next step in effective concern-troll parenting: The Skinner Box.
Hypervigilant parents can fuck up their kids in all kinds of creative ways that distracted parents never would have had time for.
Though I am glad that video wasn’t of someone snatching the kid and leaving the phone.
Smart thieves know the mantra my grandmum passed on as she doddled me on her knee:
“Never steal anything that eats.”
Yes, I did have toys as a child. Toys. Not very expensive sophisticated electronic devices. And an iPhone isn’t even the right thing to give a child that age. At that age they should have physical things to manipulate in order to develop coordination and dexterity.
Of course, that doesn’t mean the guy whole stole the phone isn’t still a complete sociopathic jerk.
Yes, I did have toys as a child. Toys. Not very expensive sophisticated electronic devices.
And music today is crap, amirite? Well, gotta go. That lawn won’t keep the damn kids off itself.
I know a few very engaged parents with one (or in rare cases) two children and the difference between their kids and the average kid on the street is pretty amazing. It seems like for so many people in our (the US) climate, children are just one more of those things, like an expensive car, a huge TV, or an iPhone, that most people are pretty sure they’re supposed to have, but aren’t sure what to do with once they’ve got it.
I (we) waited to comparative old age to have kids, which was the most rewarding decision of life to date (having kids, not waiting, waiting is debatable)
But while we went into it level-headed, researched and planned, I can admit that we were still in the dark and it’s learning every day.
I really feel for people when kids “happen” to them, and at a young age. At least they have more energy, but I remember how stupid my 20 year old self was/is compared to my 40 year old self. Man, I would not do it at that age for a million bucks. Talk about in tha dark.
My point is that no one is ever prepared.
Buddeh they were out in public, handing a child in a stroller an iphone or keys or a lil toy attached to the stroller isn’t raising them with a screen.
I don’t have a tv but I do have a few iphones and computers, they can play with an iphone here and there it’s probably to their benefit given that the future will most likely contain technology.
Let’s talk again when you have kids.
It’s true I don’t have kids (yet). But I do spend most of my time working with children and parents. I’m a children’s librarian.
I’m not a ludite, just think everything should be in moderation. I work in an affluent community and the kids have their own iPads and other devices. They have fits when their parents won’t let them on the computer. I think they see us addicted and want to be too. I just don’t think it’s healthy.
And I have witnessed a parent leave their six-year old in the library while they went to get a hair cut two blocks away. Not ok! The kid couldn’t tell us her address or name and didn’t know where her mother was. We had to call the police. That’s the worst I’ve seen so far, but parents leave their young children to go look for things themselves and we have kids crying for their parents when they’re no where to be found. Yes I understand you might need to use the bathroom, but you need to let your kids know where you are in case something happens (which with kids, we know something is always happening).
Like someone else says below, it seems that a kid is a status symbol, but once parents have them they talk about what an inconvenience they are and don’t know what to do with them. I’m happy to say that I didn’t grow up with parents like that and it makes me sad for those kids who are growing up as an inconvenience to middle-class families who planned their birth and can afford to take care of them.
That’s where I’m coming from. Have fun with your iPads people!
When you are a parent, your child is more important than living a selfish lifestyle.
Really, which is going to harm a kid more? a few minutes of a video or a parent driven to madness by not having a moment to themselves, ever.
If you’re seriously “more worried” about a baby watching Barney & Friends than you are about actual thievery, you have a badly screwed-up moral compass.
I’m just concerned about future bad taste. Barney fucking sucks.
iPhone = lousy babysitter
But I don’t want people stealing my babysitters, no matter how lousy they are.
Siri was busy making out with her boyfriend.
I dunno, anyone who gives an iPhone to a baby kinda deserves to have it stolen or dropped or drooled to death.
Well, they may have been OK with dropped or drooled on, but not with some scumbag stealing it. Every time my kid has my phone I understand the possibility he will destroy it. I assume that risk. A thief, on the other hand, deserves to catch a beat down.
What should I do with an old iphone 3?
Thing about 2-3 year old kids is once it’s recognized it’s just another thing, it gets no more attention than does the cool wooden contraption his grampa built him that doesn’t even do anything (it’s really cool though) and iphone is completely trumped by dump trucks, duplo legos, wooden trains, all of which are trumped by board books.
This was the case even when only 20 months. Since sitting up and going mobile, nothing has come close to a large collection of board book, stuff with batteries gets ignored after one recharge and an iphone was “AMAZING” to the lil one for about a day, then it ranked high in toys, then it plateaued, now it’s a once in a while.
Although if iphone is being played with when the battery dies lil one gets pissed off.
“…an old iPhone 3…” <- That would be the cognitive gap, right there.
I love how the first comment on The Sun website is “How did this baby get an iPhone” when it’s very clear in the article
Stood in line for it like the rest of the Fanbabes.
The same way any baby gets an iPhone: by screaming or whining until it is handed to him or her.
Everyone take a drink every time you read the word “disgusted” in that article. Seems like someone forgot to keep their subscription to Superlative of the Month active.
Better the iphone than the kid. Who the fuck leaves their child alone for strangers to walk up to them like that?
Thats exactly what I was going to ask. They’re lucky to have their child.
When my son was 2 or 3, I bitch slapped some fanboy adult who took a toy from him and tried walking away in Toys R Us – and he did it right in front of me! (People are brazen) Anyone getting close enough to take *anything* from a child, without a parent there is too close. This could have been much more serious. Fuck that iPhone.
What was this fanboy adult trying to steal from your child?
Jumping to conclusions much?
From the linked article:
“Her mum Danielle Hinnigan had her back turned when the thief”
Do you have children? Do you manage to keep an eye on them the entire time you’re shopping? How do you look at what you are actually buying?
Keep in mind that a “no” means you are neglectful, while a “yes” means you are a paranoid helicopter parent. Thanks for playing!
Peripheral vision, and keeping the mobile unit containing child at hand at all times.
In the video, if the woman you see approaching at the end, from camera angle, is mom, then she was only 10+ feet away and focussed elsewhere to the extent that she may have been unaware that anyone even approached her stroller.
And she definitely could do better in a bustling environment like that. 10+ feet + distracted is a long, long way if you weren’t going to miss the kid until you got all the way back to the stroller that wasn’t facing you. If he’d taken the kid, he could’ve gotten away.
I must admit, I don’t see stealing an iPhone from a baby as inherently worse than a lot of other crimes. It’s not like he’s endangering or hurting the baby. And anyway … maybe the man is starving or needs the money for his daughter’s operation, and might he in that case be excused for thinking that people who give $1,000 iPhones to 20-months-olds have too much money?
Stealing is never a good thing, but who are we to judge? I mean, it’s not even comparable to getting behind the wheel drunk, knocking families off medical insurance or sending drones to raid a Pakistani village. Maybe we should save our “disgust” (thanks xzzy) for worthier causes.
We are society and we judge all the time that stealing is wrong. Sheesh. Whether you can find other things that are also wrong is no reason to excuse this.
Is a toddler legally able to have possessions? That is, is taking candy from a baby actually “stealing?”
If they don’t have the specific right then the theft is from the parent as the child likely derived all material goods from the parent(s)
But possession is 9/10ths of the law! While I’m sure history is rife with baby kings and queens and such, I would think that a trust might be legally necessary for minors.
I think this might be one for Volokh! Oh, but I see this is the UK, but still.
Answer 1: ha ha ha. Yeah, good point (assumes you are joking).
Answer 2: Toddlers and babies (two different groups, BTW) are absolutely able to own things. So yes, it actually is stealing.
Not only is it stealing, it is a crime against humanity. Ask any toddler.
Unless of course you’re a government or a corporation, in which case we look the other way and hope they don’t realize we saw them doing it…
Concern troll alert
Well, you may be taking my comment the wrong way, or I formulated it unfortunately. I had no intention of trolling. If it came across that way, I apologize.
“Who are we to judge” is the perfect excuse line for moral cowardice, that’s who we are.
Don’t worry, I take all my life lessons from Disney movies too.
People who are hungry or desperate to raise money for medical treatment only exist in Disney movies? Surprise.
When they find the thief, you can send him a medal of honor!
Well, if one was to be cynical about it, I wouldn’t be surprised if his actual motives turn out to be less dignified.
personal army request is personal army request.
This would be horrible and disgusting if it was the baby’s iPhone. But this guy probably stole an iPhone from a negligent parent.
and technically committed assault on a child to do it. Screw him.
Can a baby own anything?
By two they’ve mastered the word MINE!
The baby’s already obtained a wealth/class marker while still in the stroller. In a few days it’ll be sharing vacation and expensive restaurant food photos on Instagram.
If Apple would allow the remote bricking of their devices, the theft value would drop to zero. And then people wouldn’t be stealing iPhones from babies.
And they would also open a world of possibilities to spiteful exes.
spiteful .exe is more a PC thing
Can’t happen to me though, if I step away from the stroller it’s no more than a few feet and my eyes don’t leave it for any reason. I can’t even recall ever stepping away though. It’s not even hover-parenting if it’s a baby or small toddler, it’s just responsible, since someone incapable of doing anything for themselves is in your care. How often have you ever stepped away from yourself? It’s like that.
So when you go grocery shopping with your baby in the stroller you don’t look at the aisles? You just know what items you are buying, where they are located and you manage to pick them up without once looking away from your adorable little munchkin?
You’re a very talented person, perhaps you need a round of applause.
Thanks! I get that applause from my family so it isn’t necessary really.
Aisles are places where the stroller, and now the grocery cart, are directly in front of me, with no reason to be otherwise. Been to a grocery store?
Yes, I do know what items I’m buying, but if I didn’t, I would still have the stroller, and now the grocery cart, or on a big run, the grocery cart with baby strapped to me, directly in front.
I can and do look away, because I have peripheral vision it’s not a problem, since I’m standing directly next to stroller or cart, or child is strapped to me.
So now you see it’s real simple, and you can hold your applause.
Not one reason to leave your child in public, and you can still do what you want, it’s just a bit harder and takes more time. Big deal.
The worst situation I recall was at a Tim Horton’s, I had to take 2 steps away to pay, but I had my cash ready and could still reach the handle of my stroller.
People that think focussing on important stuff with vigilance isn’t possible confuse me.
So your child is still small enough to be carried in a front carrier?
*cough* newbie *cough*
LoL, yeah, the second one still is.
Edit – I’m lucky as hell though, I rarely have to go anywhere with both all by myself.
But facing which direction?
Focussing on important stuff with vigilance is possible, but not all of the time, sometimes people slip and acting like you don’t and therefore other people shouldn’t just makes you come across as arrogant.
As for your claims that you never ever allow your child to leave your field of vision while in public, I say rubbish. You may honestly believe your child doesn’t leave your field of vision, but he/she does and claiming otherwise is ignoring reality. There are simply too many reasons for one to use their eyes and look away. Whether its watching traffic, simply being tired and staring off into space or just something catching the corner of your eye and diverting attention nobody alive can focus entirely on one thing all of the time. Not even Funk (super) Daddy.
I’m sure you’re a wonderful parent, but you, like every other parent alive, aren’t a perfect parent; there is simply no such thing.
How often have you ever stepped away from yourself? It’s like that.
You don’t have to be far away from the thing in question in order to be a victim of theft. Ever hear the term “pickpocket?”
Pfft, they almost never swipe babies or toddlers, which is what I’m talking about. Someone gets an iphone from my pocket they got mad skills and partially deserve it.
Getting that close to my child can’t involve distracting me because I won’t be distracted when someone is in close radius to my kid, they are the focus.
So getting close to my kid may be a good way to pick my pocket in a team effort, but they won’t be getting my kid.
As long as you’re not a Getty or on the other side of the store from your kid then they’re probably safe.
You know kidnappings by strangers are incredibly rare in most places, right? How likely is is that someone could snatch a kid out of a stroller and make it all the way out of the store into a getaway vehicle without getting stopped?
I’m a paranoid dad too, but I’m enough of a realist to know that my kids are at more risk of harm from themselves (or each other) than some boogieman mall kidnapper.
It’s not paranoia if it’s where you want to be anyway, and I know it’s incredibly rare, but also don’t want people buggin my sleeping or happy kid, touching my kid, bending over and breathing on my kid etc etc. Unless they ask me, which for some reason many people are too stupid to do.
As for how likely if someone did try it, in that video, which was a crowded, bustling place, if the kid were quiet he had a good chance, if he just wheeled away the stroller in a hurry he had a good chance, and even if the kid protested, if it wasn’t “You’re not my mommy/daddy” at high volume, few people would pay attention to a protesting child, cause they do that a lot. He doesn’t need to get to a getaway vehicle, just around 1-2 corners, to a subway or any other mode. I’ve lived in several big cities, getting gone is easy in the short term.
It’s actually really sweet to read your words. I remember that feeling. Nothing like it.
But believe me, there will come a day when your toddler darts out into traffic, or you HAVE to take a phone call (yes, really, perhaps it’s the doctor giving you the results of your biopsy….you take it, no matter where you are), or you’re just too tired to juggle everything in your mind and your attention wanders for a moment. Yes, your baby is the most wonderful baby who has ever existed and you live to hear that child’s breath rasping sweetly….but every day they are becoming more and more themselves, which is to say, not you. There will come a day when the lack-of-boundary between you starts to become just the barest of boundaries — which is joyous too, because they crave the feeling of independence and it is amazing to watch that develop — and yes, there will come a day when you have gone 5 minutes, and then 10 minutes, and then even an hour without seeing your child.
For all you know, this is the youngest of 4 children, and the mother was racing after one of the older ones.
Your attention *will* split. Just because it hasn’t yet doesn’t mean that day isn’t coming.
I’m a few years in chgoliz, and I’ve experienced that split a bit especially now with 2 kids.
And like I said above, I rarely forget how lucky I am, I live in the country now, work in a large building/warehouse literally 75 feet from home, not near the road which isn’t paved, SO works here too and we split work and kid-rearing between us when we can’t do all at once together. Huge garden, chickens, pretty peaceful though parts of me really prefer big city. I have to drive, which I never did before, and a bag of chips is a 20 minute drive.
I know most people don’t have it that good & keep it mind quite a bit.
Hopefully (but doubtfully) the parents had activated the “Where’s My iPhone” setting and registered with iCloud.
I wonder what the percentage is of iPhone owners who’ve gone through the “trouble” of doing this?
Man – I’d never give my 20month old an iPhone. At least not in a stroller at the store. Maybe on the floor at home. I remember how kids like to throw shit when they get bored.
Yes, gotta say handing a 20 month to 60 month old an iPhone 4 would be a bad idea without an otterbox or something, real bad with concrete floors which I have.
But, the iphone 3 has fared remarkably well with many drops on said floor and no protection, really quite amazing. It’s chipped and scuffed and scratched, but fully functional.
The kid probably stole it to begin with. At least, that’s been my experience with toddlers and iPhones.
What kind of iPhone was it?
“who stole an iPhone from a 20-month-old baby watching an episode of Barney & Friends”
Was the baby or the thief watching the show?
If I had a toddler, she would NEVER hold an iPhone! Because as someone with no kids, I totally understand what it’s like to deal with a screaming, pooping, screaming toddler, day in and day out. I can’t wait to have kids myself, so that I can show everyone else what an awesome, responsible parent I am, always, without fail!
Yep… one is the best parent ever… until one has kids. (Me included.)
That little tike should be watching and learning the world around him, not being passified by moving cartoons.
The thief was an opportunist, like most are, and should be beaten with large things fashioned from society’s rule book.
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