Canadian politician gives rival the finger, offers to "go outside" with the entire legislature if they don't like it

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49 Responses to “Canadian politician gives rival the finger, offers to "go outside" with the entire legislature if they don't like it”

  1. Wardish says:

    For someone who doesn’t want to be laughed at, it’s probably not a good idea to become an internet clown.

  2. RevEng says:

    Oh, parliament! How I lament thee.

    Honestly, our parliament is kind of silly. The “defamatory comments are non-actionable” part is what really makes it into a circus. Pundits regularly block each others’ proposals, not because they disagree, but because they don’t want the opposition to get anything done. They bicker, lie, and call each other names, quite often. Some days, you might as well be watching Jerry Springer. At least on Jerry Springer the clowns aren’t arguing about the direction of a country’s government.

    They call it parliamentary debate, but it looks nothing like a real debate. There are no facts, figures, or numbers. Logical fallacies are the norm; ad hominem attacks are preferred. The final decision comes to a vote, with each member voting along the lines of his party’s position. Ontario and Quebec hold a majority of seats, meaning that issues that affect other provinces are unimportant, and if they run counter to something that is important to Ontario or Quebec, they are immediately blocked.

    To make matters worse, we pay these fools a lot of money. They usually don’t attend all of the debates. Right now, they are enjoying a paid vacation to stay home and watch the Olympics — one they voted for themselves, mind you. And even if somebody eventually calls them on their uselessness, they can expect to find another, equally cushy job, being the minister for some branch of government for which they have no knowledge or experience.

    I’m sure most democractic countries have a similar system with similar conduct. I don’t think this really excuses Canada’s system, but it seems to be a problem larger than Canada.

    Surely there is a better way.

  3. entropyred says:

    Ah, I love my province.

    Although the defamatory speech idea is interesting, I really don’t think anybody should doubt Abel LeBlanc’s willingness to get into a fistfight. Dude was in the military for years before politics, iirc.

  4. Anonymous says:

    We need more politicians up here willing to duke it out to get things done.

  5. SamSam says:

    Why can’t our guys dust it up a bit? I’d pay to see our walker bound geezers throw down over policy!

    Like Brooks v. Sumner, perhaps?

    We already did some of that.

  6. Cowicide says:

    I was called a punk in that same tone and in those exact words many years ago by a coked-up, conservative scumbag who I challenged after learning that the company I worked for (and he run) was ripping people off along with the workers.

    I wear it as a badge of honor to this day to be called a punk by a lying, thieving scumbag. I only wish he’d asked me to step outside but he knew I would have gladly beat his ass down.

  7. ThePope says:

    Oh! Canada!

  8. spiderking says:

    John O’Toole flipped someone off in the Ontario legislature years ago. That was a pretty big deal at the time. Decorum, gentlemen!

  9. Anonymous says:

    Hahaa! About time parliament got passionate.

  10. MrJM says:

    “You can have my obscene finger when you pry it from my cold dead hands…”

    Oh crap…

    I mixed up the First and Second Amendments again, didn’t I.

  11. JustOk says:

    en francais, svp

  12. demidan says:

    Why can’t our guys dust it up a bit? I’d pay to see our walker bound geezers throw down over policy!

    John Boehner- “Obama is a Communist Fascist who wants to kill your grand parents!”

    Harry Reid- “You punk bitch! Let’s go!”

    • coaxial says:

      Sorry Demidan, that doesn’t sound anything like the Reid I know. This sounds much more likely:

      John Boehner- “Obama is a Communist Fascist who wants to kill your grand parents!”

      Harry Reid- “Oh okay. Do you you want me to do anything.”

      John Boehner- “Stand over in the corner and wet yourself like a baby.”

      Harry Reid- “Oh okay.”

      I have never seen anyone more impotent and worthless than the Senate Democrats. 60 fucking votes, and they couldn’t get a damn thing passed.

      • Cowicide says:

        I have never seen anyone more impotent and worthless than the Senate Democrats.

        YA! Shame and blame em’!!! Those worthless American cowards! THEM!!!111!!

        I guess that’s easier than looking at yourself and the rest of the weak ass American public in the mirror that FAILED to vote in enough dems to thwart the over 100 filibusters and acts of procedural obstructions performed by the republicans? Oh.. and that number is from less than one year in 2009.

        You want someone to blame? Here’s a fuckin’ mirror, son.

        Oh, and be sure to give the Republicans a pass that have performed more obstructionism never before seen since the founding of the Republic (not even during the hostility leading up to the American Civil War).

        America, the home of Whopper and a bunch of fat people confused about why they are fat. America, the home of corporatism put in place by the American public who is confused about why they aren’t represented.

        What a ball of confusion this country has become. I just have to laugh nowadays to keep from crying.

    • aho says:

      You mean like they do in Taiwan? I bet it would get my generation into politics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xCn3ZYTU0Y&feature=related

  13. Anonymous says:

    Haha,
    you might like this video from our French Minsiter of immigration and National identity (forgive my translation).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iELQ-qHNrqs
    He can sure use his finger too!

  14. Adam Stanhope says:

    It was in New Brunswick. He was wearing hip-waders.

  15. canuckjacq says:

    Heh. Delighted to be from New Brunswick —

    First TJ Burke (same legislature) sang pants on the ground!

    And now this! I’m getting more homesick by the minute.

    But then, Ireland had its own unparliamentary moment recently too :)

  16. Anonymous says:

    Here’s the video link via National Post

    New Brunswick MLA Abel LeBlanc ejected for giving the middle finger in Legislature http://bit.ly/9JGAO9

  17. ztifhael says:

    I am so proud right now. This is my MLA. Hooray for democratic representation.

  18. semiotix says:

    Pff, who hasn’t wanted to throw down on the New Brunswick Legislative Assembly. Buncha poseurs and ankle-biters.

    You can’t let it get to you, Abel. Haters gonna hate.

  19. ehkca says:

    Ah, yes. Whoever said parliamentary politics was dull never worked in or for a legislature.

  20. skeptacally says:

    legislativepunk!

  21. Purly says:

    I want to do something like this all the time. Good for him.

  22. PaulR says:

    Mr. Speaker, I live in New Brunswick. I tell ya, Mr. Speaker, if you listen to enough newscasts, Mr. Speaker, about the NB Legislator, Mr. Speaker, you start to think that they get paid $10, Mr. Speaker, for every time they say “Mr. Speaker”, Mr. Speaker.

    (I often find that those who say things like “wanna step outside?” are usually flabby, out-of-shape bullies who haven’t studied any martial arts.)

    Mr. Speaker

  23. sobreiro says:

    Somebody call RevoLucian! (http://www.revolucian.com/)

  24. PaulR says:

    Mr. Speaker, I should have hit the Preview button, Mr. Speaker, before hitting Submit, Mr. Speaker…

    Of courser, Mr. Speaker, it’s the “NB Legislature”, Mr. Speaker.

    Oooo! $130! Just in time for the weekend, Mr. Speaker.

  25. Cildar says:

    lv th gsps f trg nd th “Tchr tchr h dd BD THNG” cmplnts frm ll f th nncy-grl lgsltrs n th bckgrnd. Nthng lk Frnch Cndn ccnt t mk n snd lk wss.

    • PaulR says:

      That’s not a French-Canadian accent. That’s a Southern NB accent – they would say something like “anyone of youse/yaws. It’s similar to Nova Scotian accent – the exact placement can be determined by whether they “Jesus” three times or “some”. Yes, “Jesus” is a verb.

      For example: “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, It’s rained some last night!” would place then accent around the eastern half of the Bay of Fundy.

      Not to mention, “apologize for” and “apologize to” has the same usage in French, whether you use “demander pardon” or “excuser”.

      Mr. Leblanc error in the use of “apologize for” is probably because it’s not a word he uses very often…

      • Charles H. says:

        I’m assuming that the comment on the French accent is referring to the section when Paul Robichaud is talking, and he’s definitely a French-speaking Acadian.

      • Robert says:

        “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, It’s rained some last night!” sounds like Jesus as an expletive — a common grammatical use. If “Jesus” were a verb, it would be more like, “Rain, rain, rain, It’s Jesused some last night!”

        • PaulR says:

          “Jesus” as a verb was in my phrase: “whether they ‘Jesus’ three times”.

          For usage in a complete sentence:

          “I tells ya, it must’ve rained some last night in Cape Enrage. Buddy jesused five times when he was telling me about it!”

          Kinda like Bubbles’s deft use of a “4-6″ or a “6-4″ for different amount of emphasis.

      • Cildar says:

        @PaulR: I stand corrected. Thank you on the subtle treatise regarding Canadian accents. Oh, and thank you for both Bobby Orr and Wayne Gretsky.

  26. brandonjamesscott says:

    Our parliament is a joke most of the time… but if a good brawl was allowed once in a while it would probably improve things.

  27. bjacques says:

    Fist fight! In the parking lot!

  28. Anonymous says:

    As a New Brunswicker, I find this to be incredibly awesome. Usually you only see this in town halls or private conversations with MLAs, but Maritime politicians always tend to have a wee bit more ‘character’ than our upper Canadian counterparts.

  29. adamnvillani says:

    He’s not looking to punch anyone out – at least, I don’t think so

    Watch the video.

    “Yes, I gave ya that!” (gesturing with middle finger)
    “And I’ll give ya that again!” (gesturing with middle finger again)
    “And I’ll give you this if you wanna go outside.” (shaking clenched fist)

  30. Hagrid says:

    Gods, I love Canadian politics!

  31. JHHCanada says:

    The “step outside” thing is parliamentary.
    In parliament, any defamatory comments are non-actionable. In other words, you can’t be sued for them while you’re inside the House.
    But frequently politicians will say they’d be willing to say the exact same thing “outside” – in other words, he’s saying that he believes in the truth of what he’s saying so strongly that he’s willing to make the comments beyond the safety of parliament.
    He’s not looking to punch anyone out – at least, I don’t think so :)

    • Charles H. says:

      To further JHHCanada’s “step outside” explanation:

      Because of the non-actionable nature of statements made in parliament, there are very strict rules about the language you can and cannot use when it is in session. Calling someone a liar is right out but accusing them of telling/speaking lies is not, to use one of the more hair-splitting examples.

      Hence why he was asked to apologize and subsequently kicked out of the Legislature when he refused.

      (Which is also why there are gasps at it happening. You can be almost certain that nobody there would be unfamiliar/offended by the gesture itself, but rather that it’s a very flagrant and obviously deliberate breach of the accepted decorum.)

      • Gloria says:

        “(Which is also why there are gasps at it happening. You can be almost certain that nobody there would be unfamiliar/offended by the gesture itself, but rather that it’s a very flagrant and obviously deliberate breach of the accepted decorum.)”

        Thank you for pointing this out.

        As for @17, I don’t know how you thought that was a French-Canadian accent. I know some Maritimers who would give you a beating to hear that.

    • semiotix says:

      In parliament, any defamatory comments are non-actionable. In other words, you can’t be sued for them while you’re inside the House.

      Fascinating. Reason enough for me to get elected to some legislature where this holds true. There are HUNDREDS of defamatory, slanderous, and otherwise legally actionable things I’ve been dying to say. Plus a lot of those places have cameras and reporters!

      I’m already writing my maiden speech: “Mr. Speaker, you philandering drunk, it gives me great pleasure to address this august body, even though at least half of its members are on the take. For you see, Mr. Speaker, it has long been a dream of mine to–OH MY GOD! FIRE! FIRE! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!”

    • gunnar11 says:

      “He’s not looking to punch anyone out – at least, I don’t think so :)”

      Actually, if you watch the video, he is showing them his clenched fist as he says “and I’ll give you this if you want to go outside”.

      Fight!Fight!Fight!

  32. JohnCJ says:

    The moral gasps of “Oh my gosh, he just gave the finger!” “Oh my gosh, that’s enough” “Yes, I saw it!” are the funniest bit.

    • Anonymous says:

      This. The shock and surprise is ridiculous to the point of being more offensive than the original act. They sound like a bunch of teenagers tattling on a classmate. GROW UP, PARLIAMENT.

  33. Anonymous says:

    Hooray! Now THIS is politics! I love it when the Korean legislature breaks into fisticuffs, or some Israeli rep takes a swipe at a rival. Those are guys who mean it! They care about their position!

    More politicians should fight. In fact, I wish the American Capitol Building converted the Rotunda into a Thunderdome. THEN we’ll see some action!

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