Cybercrime, patent-theft numbers are total bullshit

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23 Responses to “Cybercrime, patent-theft numbers are total bullshit”

  1. forwardourmotto says:

    One time, I had a sleeve of CDs  that was stolen. I estimate the loss at $1.27 trillion dollars.

    • Naaah don’t be crazy! That’s way too high. According to official record industry figures you can only value a stolen song at 150.000 dollars. Now, say you had 10 CD’s in the sleeve and about twelve songs on each CD, that’s 10*12*150.000  equalling only a meagre eighteen million in damages.

      Really you must stop exaggerating like this.

      • awjt says:

        But punitive damages, pain and suffering, patent infringement fines, penalties for unsanctioned international trade, post-facto tariffs and lawyer fees put it back to the 1.27 trillion, plus adjustment for inflation and wire transfer fees.  @forwardourmoto: if you advance me $128,000.00USD, I will handle the case for you.

        • I will represent the music industry and sue you for that $1.27 trillion, because by letting your CDs get stolen, you allowed other people to copy them.

          • awjt says:

            We have their names and will sell them to you for $750,000,000.00.  The list can’t be subpoenaed because it’s locked in a secret vault offshore.  We will also sell you back your CDs, since by now with all the publicity, they are collectors’ items, and would likely fetch about $250,000,000.00, but we will settle for $150,000,000.00 as well as retaining the movie rights and ability to use them in the soundtrack.  Also, your mom.

      • lafave says:

         don’t forget the 300 jobs that were lost as a result also

      • oasisob1 says:

         I converted them to MP3s and put them onto CDROMs. That’s 100′s of songs per disc…

  2. DrDave says:

    I think you want $1T in the first sentence.

  3. zibuki says:

    I think you want to link to 

    http://www.propublica.org/article/does-cybercrime-really-cost-1-trillion

    for the original article. using https brings up an absolute mess.

  4. RJ says:

    In case there was any doubt in your mind

    Not a shred of it. Though I appreciate the fact that you’re helping people fine-tune their bullshit detectors. That’s got to be worth a few billion media-bux, at least. ;)

  5. GlenBlank says:

    73.4 per cent of all statistics are made up.

  6. Damien says:

    Did Symantec and McAfee get their numbers from the same place as the Recording Industry Association of America?

  7. The Chemist says:

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  8. Make sure you report all Cyber-Theft to the Cyber-Police.  They will backtrace it!  And consequences will never be the same!

  9. eccentricintelligenceagency says:

     Alright folks, this is a hypothetically leaked private chat between Cary Sherman and Chris Dodd. It is said to be highly erotic, and that one highly motivated intern died immediately of hyper-orgasmic over-stimulation upon accidentally reading it. To normal humans, it looks repugnant and absurd.

    Dodd: “Say something dirty.”

    Sherman: “Norton”

    Dodd: “Oh yeah. You too pirate baby.”

    Sherman: “McAfee”

    Dodd: “Oooooh. Now pretend we’re smoking crack together, like we used to.”

    Sherman: “Because each Linux user has potentially displaced one or more Windows operating-system, we must immediately sue all Linux users for losses caused to Microsoft. Every Linux ISO must bare a minimum cost from which the equivalent cost of premium editions of Windows will be payed to Microsoft in royalty fees. Furthermore, it is now forbidden for any self-duplicating product, whether digital or material, to be distributed in any shape or form.”

    Dodd: “I am wearing PirateBay underoos.”

    Sherman: “Nothing can stop us.”

    Dodd: “….am ..removing them ..now.”

    Sherman: “Oh god, …say something statistical!”

    Dodd: “Too, ..ex ..cited, to cal …cu …late. Po ..tent …entially, they a.. a.. all owe us some …thing.”

    Sherman: “Exaggerate, EXAGGERATE! Harder, ….HARDER!”

    Dodd: “I’m going to …”

    And that is where the intercepted AOL chat ended.

  10. qwerty says:

    “Intellectual property” != “patents,” in the same way that “polygons” != “hexagons.”

    I’m surprised and disappointed that, with the frequent grousing about various IP
    issues here and elsewhere, confusion is still frequent over something as basic as the *types* of intellectual property.

    Whenever you hear a figure about “intellectual property theft,” it’s guaranteed that they’re talking about copyright, in the form of digitally distributed works and copied media. It’s probably coupled with a bit of trademark infringement, in the form of counterfeit goods. Patents aren’t part of this.

    Why don’t you ever see statistics about “global patent theft?” Because the mechanics of patent infringement are extraordinarily different from copyright infringement – so different, in fact, that the term “global patent theft” is meaningless.

    Copyrights are asserted by a united industry against a gigantic body of individuals. It’s very easy to estimate aggregated (and often incredible… as in, not credible) statistics of the scale of activity and to put a dollar figure on it. And then the whole industry, this gigantic body of publicists, broadcasts this number as “theft,” with no coherent rebuttal of the millions of individuals accused of a single instance of it.

    Patents, on the other hand, are asserted *by one company* *against another company*. It’s a *very* fact-driven process, such that no one can say for sure whether that specific instance actually is or isn’t theft: it has to be proven in court, followed by a very fact-intensive determination of damages. Every case is completely unique and unpredictable, and for every company saying “that’s theft,” you have an equivalent company saying, “no it’s not.” It’s impossible to reach a consensus estimate of which acts constitute infringement, let alone the value of them.

    It’s like the difference between speeding violations and reckless driving. It’s easy estimate the amount of speeding on a particular road as an aggregate average – but recklessness is highly subjective and fact-specific.

    Anyway – my point is that “patent trolling” has nothing to do with this article.

  11. Oh I doubt that, who you thinks behind most viruses and bugs malware ect…? The Anti-virus companies of coarse. They even corrupt and crash computers so you’ll think you’ll need to go buy a newer model. I think we all know to well a big part of cyber crimes are inside jobs. I say they need to cut the crap. I think a lot of you know what I’m getting at.

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