Young Conservative rappers explain Jesus, Ayn Rand, and ANWR drilling

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  1. hedztalez says:

    seriously? this is horrible. couldnt even make it past the first 4 bars.

  2. demidan says:

    @#55 posted by panopticadre

    Leave Sousa out of this!!!

    Sousaphones rule!!!

  3. failix says:

    Thanks for that link Takuan, Schaeffer is one of those who give me hope for the conservative right.

  4. Anonymous says:

    “In a way, it’s perfect. It embodies all that’s wrong with “conservatives” these days. They actually start off with things I can kinda get behind: Decreasing the power of the state, smaller government, etc…all the old Conservative shibboleths.”

    I agree. It’s similar to the idea of a “libertarian revolution” that one addle-brained imebcile once suggested.

    The problem is that most of our systems are still rooted in, at the most, 1900-era philosophical systems based upon village-sized populations. Has anyone developed a societal philosophy based on larger populations yet?

  5. Anonymous says:

    I apologise for my foreigner first post…..this is a joke like April 1. Yes?

  6. Anonymous says:

    I suspect that it is the people with lots of money, who don’t really have a country or consider themselves part of any society.

    You mean … “Rootless Cosmopolitans”? Stalin loved that one.

  7. jtegnell says:

    Since they’re so thankful of our efforts in Iraq, why aren’t they helping out the team?

    They’re just about the perfect age I’d wager.

  8. Anonymous says:

    I not so smart but aint this downtrodden peeps music? Perhaps the Toriecons can fire up that Triumph made time machine and create a ‘conservative’ version of ‘Bollocks’

  9. minamisan says:

    it’s the chronic — wat? — cles of narniaaa

  10. Anonymous says:

    Oh comeon, they go to Northeastern. They’re kind of irrelevant.

  11. d3matt says:

    as a young con. (and christian) I kinda liked it. crappy rap, but conveys what quite a number of us think

    To all those dissing our co-opting of Ayn Rand’s work, are we not allowed to pick and choose the parts of our culture that fit our value system? Did the native americans not watch westerns up until the point where the indians stopped winning? If anything, it’s a perfectly legitimate use of her work to take parts we agree with, the importance of reason and the mind, and toss away the parts we have no use for, her rejection of the divine.

  12. thequickbrownfox says:

    100 cc’s Unicorn, stat!

  13. GregLondon says:

    rechnen: And there are some liberals who hold communism as the ideal and that the government should control everything, but I know that’s not the mainstream view of liberalism. Your point?

    Uh, yeah, that was exactly my point. anachronismo@117 said No conservative is against health inspections in restaurants

    Notice how that is like me saying “No liberal holds communism as the ideal”. As you pointed out, there are fringe elements of people who identify as “liberal”, and they include supporters of communism.

    Anachronismo said that absolutely no conservative is against health regulations. None. Zip. Nada. I replied by pointing out there are fringe people who identify as “conservative” who are in fact against health regulations.

    So, yeah, you’re exactly right, there are fringe members of groups. Only problem is, you didn’t correct it when anachronismo committed the error. Which pretty much establishes that you’re probably a conservative.

    Conservatives believe in some regulation (i.e. health standards), just a s little as possible.

    Some conservatives, yes. maybe even “most”. But Anachronismo asserted that absolutely no conservative opposes health regulations. And some do.

  14. Takuan says:

    @16
    anal cysts

  15. Chuck says:

    Is it my imagination, or does one of those guys resemble Ted Haggard?

    Not that it means anything.:-)

  16. Anonymous says:

    They are putting the “Crip” in hypo-crip.
    Yo Yo Shill-meister Chad hanging with DJ Tax-cuts-for-me.

    Word to your trust fund.

  17. Modusoperandi says:

    Takuan, they aren’t inciting murder. They’re merely using emotional charged speech, repetition and divine sanction that encourages others to commit acts of violence that will result in the deaths of others.

  18. failix says:

    In the interest of balance, may I now refer to abortion as “murder” on this site?

    In the interest of balance, why don’t you raise a child you didn’t want, alone, with minimal wage, in the worst conditions imaginable, just because the same people who told you you weren’t allowed to decide over your body, also told you that you shouldn’t wear condoms?

  19. Antinous / Moderator says:

    To be fair, they’re much better than Henrietta and Merna. The boys might want to up their sweater game, though.

  20. ackpht says:

    Takuan: not the companies, the people who own the companies.

  21. AirPillo says:

    If anything, it’s a perfectly legitimate use of her work to take parts we agree with, the importance of reason and the mind, and toss away the parts we have no use for, her rejection of the divine.

    That is, of course, perfectly acceptible. Nobody will fault someone for taking values from an individual that they agree with and expressing support for them.

    However, those who co-opt her as a representation of their value system should bear in mind that her work also embodies a certain spirit of cold, heartless selfishness that throws the have-nots to the wind in order to benefit the haves. It is precisely that attitude which is seen by a lot of outsiders in the conservative movement: “fuck the little guy, he’s a pain in my fat pocketbook.”

    Co-opting Ayn Rand does not exactly do much to counter the negative stereotype of conservatives being a legion of Ebenezer Scrooges. There’s a reason for that. Her views are seen by many to be those of a spoiled, heartless bitch. She does not exactly make a very good figurehead if you want people to identify with your views. She is wildly unpopular because she advocated for a philosophy which would bitterly screw the majority of the population if put into effect, for the benefit of a minority of people with the resources and wherewithal to milk the system.

    Her views can easily be identified as being near identical to those which have caused the nation so much grief . A small minority holds most of the wealth, receives special treatment to grow and maintain that wealth, and is in many cases issued undeserved license to devastate the lives of others for personal gain. The system Ayn Rand suggests would make this already severe problem downright easy to accomplish and would probably even flatly encourage it.

    Identifying with Ayn Rand is about as bad for conservatives’ public image as just putting up billboards that say “fuck you, I’m rich”

  22. Takuan says:

    even more ghostly than the companies. Try finding out who ultimately is the responsible person/shareholder for what Shell Oil has done in Nigeria, say.

  23. GregLondon says:

    anachronismo: As some one who doesn’t fit in with either political camp

    Ah.

    They aren’t idiots or morons, they just have a different philosophy than 95 percent of the people hear. Who is being close minded now?

    Which presidential candidates have you voted for in the last few elections?

    No conservative is against health inspections in restaurants. They are definitely talking about smoking bans.

    Really? Are you sure? I was having an argument with a self-identified “libertarian” who said we don’t need to inspect restaurants and people should be able to buy or sell contaminated food if they really want to.

    His only requirement was that the food somehow be labeled with a description of the conditions under which it was prepared. So people can make “informed” decisions, as he put it. And if a store lies about how the food was prepared, people were supposed to enforce that via lawsuits. No government-run health inspection enforcement was needed he said. Individuals can figure it out on their own, he said.

    The thing is, you don’t get to decide what “conservative” means. This no-health-inspection guy said he was a conservative in the sense of “ultra-small government”. Some conservatives say they want to make government small enough so that they can drown it in the bathtub.

    So, don’t be making these absolute statements about what “no conservative” would say, cause you don’t get to define it. Fact is, there are some conservatives who say we don’t need health inspections. You’ve essentially committed a “no true Scotsman” fallacy, but with conservatives instead of Scotsmen.

  24. therling says:

    This could be the start of a whole new genre: “Conservative rap,” or for short, c-rap.

  25. conundrum says:

    There are moments in the history of a culture when we witness a particularly focused change, and can recognize it as such: we know that certain forces in public life us will become, in a matter of a few short years, mere remnants that have lost their force, except for a fringe few.

    http://aynrandsucks.blogspot.com/

  26. arlopickens says:

    “Jesus, Ronald Reagan, and Atlas Shrugged”

    This HAS to be a joke.

    Then again, I said that about Jesus, Ronald Reagan, and Atlas Shrugged.

  27. Anonymous says:

    There really is no reason why Conservatives cannot rap – just look at all the ‘pouring champagne on arses’ videos there are! Not exactly liberal…

    But… I can see no reason why a clever rightist rapper can’t do something along the lines of Jeru’s ‘Ya Playin; Yourself’ but in a right wing sense…

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m a Libertarian of the leftist stripe but I have no problems with right wing expressions of art.

  28. Glossolalia Black says:

    Ay yo this is MC Cul De Sac giving a shout out to my sista RAND-ONE, DJ Ronnie Raygun and as always to man with the masta plan Hay Zeus…

  29. Captain Squiffy says:

    Conservative rappers ATE MY EYES!

  30. nerak says:

    White, upper-class, yuppies once again hi-jack the unique sound that has emerged from racism, poverty, and violence, which they themselves have never experienced but which their parents have probably endorsed.

    In other words…they’re d-bags.

  31. darkknightjared says:

    “I’ll never understand why Ayn Rand has been taken hostage by the conservative movement. Social conservative “values” are just so contrary to her philosophy.”

    I was wondering that too, thinking–”They…do know that Rand was an athiest, right?”

  32. Snig says:

    Reagan: America’s business is business.
    Rand: If any civilization is to survive, it is the morality of altruism that men have to reject.
    Jesus: What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul.

    (One of these things is not like the others…)

  33. darth_schmoo says:

    I don’t know if taking out my brain and scouring it with bleach would erase the memory of this video, but at this point I’m willing to try anything.

    If you want musical political commentary, might I suggest Sex With Ducks?

  34. Mitch says:

    What infomercial have I seen these guys on?

  35. JToddLeffar says:

    @Rageahol (@67)
    @Demidan (@87)

    Yeah, I’m aware of the problems with the foster care system (I volunteer at an adoption agency) and it’s frustrates me how broken it is at many levels. However, in the situation discussed earlier, adoption works.

  36. AirPillo says:

    It is one thing to support a war, and quite another to have a favorable opinion of sending other people away to war.

    The most important reason that the Vietnam war eventually had such dismal support among the populace is that every young man in the nation was keenly aware that they might be “supporting the war” by dying in it, whether they were willing to or not.

    I make an attempt to be a fair-minded person but like any other human I certainly find it a lot easier to justify going to war if I am assured that there is no risk of it causing me to be killed or maimed.

    That’s why it’s so important to ask pro-war people, during any war, whether they would be willing to die for the war they claim to support. if the cause isn’t worth their own life to them, it’s fair to assume it isn’t worth the lives of others.

    Honestly sometimes I think we need a permanent draft. The mere possibility of it makes people a lot more responsible about “supporting” wars.

  37. AirPillo says:

    It’s (apparently) not a parody.

    I always feel kind of sad when I encounter something in the world and am unsure of whether the people in question are performing a parody or are just “batshit fucking crazy”

  38. existentialdrift says:

    I’m thinking that if hard work is such a conservative value, then maybe one of them should have taken the time to snip the full minute of blank space off the end of that video before posting it to YouTube.

  39. gollux says:

    Then there’s always that oxymoron “Christian Rock”.

    The local band I know has broken Nancy Reagan’s just say no”, the “True Love Waits” abstinence, and various misdemeanor law infractions. I’d rename their group “Bonkin’ and Tokin’ for Jesus”. I guess there’s hope for them yet, they just need to get over some of the more egregious mindsets and they’ll have passed the half-way point into being good run-of-the-mill liberals.

  40. GregLondon says:

    gangsta posers and tough-guy wannabees.
    they got no rythym.
    And they certainly got no soul.

    Never mind the message, I couldn’t bear the medium after less than a minute.

  41. JToddLeffar says:

    @Failix (@20):

    In the interest of balance, why don’t you get past the mindset that giving birth to a child means that you are automatically required to raise said child, with no other choice available to you at all?

    Adoption is a win-win-win situation. Child isn’t murdered, birth mother isn’t forced to raise a child they didn’t want, and the adoptive parents who have been desperately yearning to have and love a child of their own get to do just that.

  42. failix says:

    Urm, no, of course it isn’t the issue, but there is no problem if it is an issue.

  43. Rindan says:

    Mmmm, nothing like watching the wildly schizophrenic Republican message laid bare. Putting Ronald Regan, Jesus, and Ayn Rand in the same sentence is laughable. Unless the clue is “things Ronald Regan thinks he likes”, I can safely say that those three should never be used together as the basis of a world view or philosophy. Jesus is a spiritual non-materialistic altruist, Ayn Rand is a self described selfish materialist atheist, and both Ayn Rand and Jesus were pacifist… which I am pretty sure Ronald Regan was not.

    This brings home exactly what is wrong with the Republican party. They worship two philosophers who would try and murder each other in a cage match if they were not both pacifist, and hold up a guy (Regan) who failed to implement both of their world views with stunning thoroughness as the embodiment of the two.

    Republicans, you can’t be war mongering Christian Libertarians…. three three contradict each other and leave everyone who isn’t pissed at the utter violation of their moral code, scratching their head trying to understand WTF your damage is.

  44. regeya says:

    “Co-opting Ayn Rand does not exactly do much to counter the negative stereotype of conservatives being a legion of Ebenezer Scrooges.”

    ‘Scrooge Defended’ by Michael Levin: http://tinyurl.com/mx23sl

    Mr. Levin is probably most famous for his view that African-Americans score lower on IQ tests because they’re inferior. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Levin

    You find a lot of screwballs on Mises.org and LewRockwell.com.

  45. Anonymous says:

    “I got a message for a young con: superman not socialism

    Superman? As in Friedrich Nietzshe’s Ubermensch? Seriously?

    Wasn’t that like, Hitler’s inspiration?

    (Oh shit, godwinned)”

    Nietzche never crossed their mind. The line is “superman that socialism” and is a reference to the line “superman that ho” from “Crank dat Soulja Boy.” They most likely danced to the song at their fraternity keggers a year or two back.

  46. arkizzle says:

    ..maybe one of them should have taken the time to snip the full minute of blank space off the end of that video before posting it to YouTube.

    That’s space for their new ideas.

    No, that’s where God overdubbed his verse. Wait.. you couldn’t hear it? Weird.

  47. rechnen says:

    Libertarian =/= conservative. Conservatives believe in some regulation (i.e. health standards), just a s little as possible.

    “Fact is, there are some conservatives who say we don’t need health inspections.”

    And there are some liberals who hold communism as the ideal and that the government should control everything, but I know that’s not the mainstream view of liberalism. Your point?

  48. Deliciouspizza says:

    This is what being out of touch with reality looks like.

  49. GregLondon says:

    jtodd@34: Child isn’t murdered

    A fertilized egg isn’t a “child” and removing it isn’t “murder”.

    Or do you allow for something like the “morning after pill”? If you don’t, then saying the morning after pill is “murdering” a “child” is pure propaganda. You wouldn’t be an ultra-conservative drive-by, spreading propaganda, would you?

  50. Anonymous says:

    “Liberals playing checkers, I’m playing chess”

    Uh, more like tic-tac-toe, if their sense of rhythm is any measure.

  51. Roast Beef says:

    JToddLeffar:
    The adoptive parents who have been desperately yearning to love a child have the option of adopting one of the many kids who have already been born who desperately need parents to love them.

    I don’t know about you, but considering the failure rates of even the most stringent birth control methods, I would hate to be the person doing the deciding about someone else’s accidental pregnancy. Actually, I do know about you. You seem very comfortable doing it. I am too pre-coffee to come up with a really great equivalent of a medical decision that I could decide to make for you on the grounds of my own personal morality, but really, I would much rather leave your medical decisions to you and your doctor. As I hope you will leave mine to me and mine. Kthx.

    Back on topic: add me to the list of people who couldn’t make it through the first minute of this video. I was actually (artistically) off-put by its inanity, rather than (politically) by the content. I had a hard time discerning content anyway, because of the poor sound quality and because both boys are using that “deep masculine voice” that I have heard other ‘young cons’ use to try to… what? Shore up their position as patriarchs-in-training?

  52. GregLondon says:

    Lyrics: part 1

    yo, this one goes out to all the young conservatives. yo, one time. I rapped the north east and I’m still a young college(?). let your voice release you don’t have to be a wall(?). cause I debate any poser who don’t shoot straight.

    Government spending? needs to deflate

    your ideas are lightweight. your careers are checkmate. I frustrate, I increase they pulse rate,

    Part 1 of the lyrics contains mostly chest thumping. The only thing that states any sort of political policy is to reduce government spending. Where were these guys hiding as the government burned through billions of dollars in Iraq?

  53. Mitch says:

    @27 – Yes, I recall Ayn Rand questioning just what conservatives thought they were conserving.

    And, if I recall correctly, wasn’t Jesus murdered
    at the request of some religious conservatives?

  54. GregLondon says:

    Lyrics: part 2

    I hate when government dictating making statements how to be a merchant, how to run a restaurant, how to lay the pavement

    Laissez Faire capitalism, no health inspections in restaurants (e coli in peanut butter?), and apparently privately constructed roads with tolls everywhere?

    bail out a business but can’t protect an infant

    No economic stimulus is needed to stop this recession?

    Outlaw all abortion.

    deficiencies I”m complaining, your card treatment. I stand, one man outnumbered at my college

    White males in college are not allowed to play the outnumbered and picked on minority card.

  55. GregLondon says:

    Lyrics: part 3

    thank you Miss Cali for reminding us of marriage

    homophobic bigotry.

    cant support abortion and call yourself a christian. I support life

    No True Scotsman(christian) fallacy.

    your a puzzled politician. terrorists were in prison at guantanamo bay. now their in our neighborhood planning our doomsday

    Totally clueless about history. We’ve had terrorists on US soil, in US prisons, since the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center.

    for example:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_A._Salameh

    Mohammed A. Salameh (Arabic: محمد سلامة‎) (born September 1, 1967) is a convicted perpetrator of the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing. He is currently an inmate at ADX Florence in Florence, Colorado.

    no such thing as utopia. The government can’t control ya, baby ya, reap the benefits how it works out for lying

    Government cant control you, but they can outlaw abortion? And stop gays from getting married?

  56. GregLondon says:

    Lyrics: part 4

    Listen to stokes my dude is a lyrical giant. yo, stokes, make it two times please. I’m 6’9″ head and shoulders above the rest. Liberals playing checkers, I’m playing chess.

    Blah blah blah.

    my conservative view is drill baby drill

    These guys can’t even do math.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_offshore_drilling_debate

    Oil wouldn’t start flowing until 2017. Access to Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico regions would increase domestic oil production by 1.6 percent.

  57. GregLondon says:

    Lyrics: part 5

    you can say you hate me, but I’m praying for you still. I dislike lee? my stuff is not hyperbole

    he’s a homophobic bigot, but he’ll be nice and pray for your soul.

    taxes are the subject and I must fight them perfectly

    Yeah, taxes have so gone through the roof.

    I’m just livin life, my conservative philosophy. Sorry Hilary, not a right wing conspiracy. We need more women with intellectual integrity. I’m talking Megan Kelly not Nancy Pelosi

    Megan Kelly is a “reporter” at Fox News and frequently appears on “The O’Reilly Factor”.

    Not that I was ever a fan of Nancy Pelosi.

    But this lyric is from two white males taking cheap shots at the most powerful female Democrat politicians and saying we should replace them with talking head echo chamber bimbos.

  58. mdh says:

    No conservative is against health inspections in restaurants

    Exactly, they’re only against inspections required by law that have binding terms which might cost them money.

    Non-binding toothless inspections they can laugh about on the way to the bank, no problem.

  59. failix says:

    @Jtoddleffar:

    I won’t get past that mindset unless you explain your definition of “child”, and “murder”. Because if you think that an embryo should be valued as a child, I’m really concerned about how you value an actual child.
    And if you think that a doctor who removes an embryo from a woman is a murderer, you must have real problems with eating meat, meat that comes from actual, born mammals.

  60. GregLondon says:

    Lyrics: part 6

    My main motto is you best work hard. it’s not the hand you were given, it’s how you lay down your cards.

    invoking the Puritan Work Ethic, denying that social position you were born into has any effect on where you get to in life, and saying if you end up in a bad spot, it’s because you made a bad choice adn didn’t play your cards right.

    In essence, they’re living in a fantasy world where nothing bad happens to “good” people.

    I don’t speak lies but I spin the facts. 28 percent the new capital gains tax. porkiless bills, rags a few staff???

    This is too garbled to traslate.

    the more money we spend the more mine is worth jack

    You should have heard these two howl about government spending back in March of 2003 when Bush was thumping to invade Iraq.

  61. Uland says:

    “forcing women to bear foetuses to term”

    -Oh man, that is just an idiotic line, Cory. It does your cause a disservice.

  62. GregLondon says:

    Lyrics: part 7

    The bible says we’re a people under god

    And the constitution says we should separate Church and State.

    using radar for radical jihad

    too garbled to translate.

    AIG was hooked up by Chris Dodds. a classy gift aint an iPod

    dude doesn’t like MP3 players, what can I say?

  63. GregLondon says:

    Lyrics: part 8

    The standards of my crew aint republicans dude, I’m rapping Jesus Christ and conservative views.

    I’m not sure about this one. I think he’s saying he isn’t necessarily a Republican??? He’s a “conservative”? Is that the new party name now?

    study history and true conservative moves. every single time they refuse to lose

    I think they lost in the last election. Might want to check your numbers again.

    Start to see a modern day Jimmy Carter. was really nothing but a Reagan era starter

    Garbled. Not sure what the point was here.

  64. GregLondon says:

    lyrics: part 9

    yo, we americans son. our work it the motto, the movement has begun.

    Blah, blah, blah.

    Everyone can succeed because our soldiers bleed

    Everyone can succed, just don’t make restaurants put in handicap access, yo.

    I said it in the verse now I say it in teh chorus. we are conservative son. our work it the motto, the movement has begun

    They’re running out of ideas, so they start repeating themselves.

    Everyone can succeed because our soldiers bleed

    yeah, the only reason we are free is because we use force. The constitution, the rights it emodies, the checks and balances it puts on the government, they don’t matter. The only thing that makes us free is that we are willing to go to war.

  65. Anonymous says:

    @ 121

    “They aren’t idiots or morons, they just have a different philosophy than 95 percent of the people hear. Who is being close minded now?”

    they are idiots and morons because they are clumsy, out-of-touch, self important, naive, cheezy, and tacky. “whack”, in other words.

    -as it is self evident, REGARDLESS OF ONE’S POLITICAL VIEWS, in this poorly (and hilariously) executed “song” and video.

    conservative right wingers got no soul or sense of humor and should stay far, far away from the entertainment biz to preserve their pride.

  66. Xopher says:

    *dons Adjunct Moderator cap*

    OK, abortion is the black hole of threads. The conversation about it always goes the same way, no one changes their opinion, and all other conversation gets crowded out.

    From this point on, please confine your conversation to the other aspects of the video and its likely origins, consequences, and related blah blah blah. But no more abortion conversation in this thread please.

    *doffs Adjunct Moderator cap†*

    †It’s a silly-looking thing anyway, a pink satin cone hat with big blue polka dots and a fat white cotton tassel.

  67. GregLondon says:

    Lyrics: part 10

    My views are rock solid, no chance you can break me. face me, make me, in the sound that ate me, seriously can nobody shake me

    At least he admits his views are unchangable in the face of new evidence.

    Great like the Gatsby

    In the novel, Gatsby is a self made millionare. Suggestions in the novel hint that he did so illegally. A bootlegger, or some such thing.

    Making lots of money illegally, is the “conservative motto”? At least they’re honest about being dishonest.

    poppin posers like Abby?

    Too garbled.

  68. Uland says:

    “In the interest of balance, why don’t you raise a child you didn’t want, alone, with minimal wage, in the worst conditions imaginable, just because the same people who told you you weren’t allowed to decide over your body, also told you that you shouldn’t wear condoms?’

    ….And you also have a disabled child, right? Who is also a racist? And it likes to drink pig blood? All because someone told you something….

    You cannot be serious. Unless you’re about 18 or so. After a while it actually becomes difficult to blame the difficulties that arose from your decisions on everyone else. It starts to feel sort of dishonest.

  69. GregLondon says:

    Lyrics: part 11

    don’t matter if you’re gay, straight, christian, or muslim. there’s one thing we all hate, called socialism.

    If you’re gay or muslim, and you’re also a conservative, well, you deserve whatever you get.

    in america the outcome is taxes on the people. and you’re gonna treat the symptoms not problems

    Oh, you poor, over-taxed, John Galts.

    I got a message for a young con: superman not socialism

    Superman? As in Friedrich Nietzshe’s Ubermensch? Seriously?

    Wasn’t that like, Hitler’s inspiration?

    (Oh shit, godwinned)

  70. Xopher says:

    OK, Uland’s was a cross-post. No more. I’ll be asking Antinous to delete any comments on abortion that are time-stamped after mine.

  71. GregLondon says:

    Lyrics: part 12

    waterboard that terrorism

    Yeah, that’s worked really well so far:

    http://www.warhw.com/2009/05/29/cake-or-death/

    http://www.warhw.com/2009/05/04/us-torture-statistics/

    http://www.warhw.com/2009/04/27/cia-inspector-general-torture-didnt-help/

    http://www.warhw.com/2009/04/23/fbi-interrogator-at-quantanamo-torture-didnt-work/

    But keep thumping that chest and keep saying your “views are rocksolid” in the face of facts to the contrary.

  72. GregLondon says:

    Lyrics: part 13

    I fulfill the role that’s inherently mine. teaching politics through my rap and my rhyme. I’m signing off this track with a question in mind. how will this country get its precious “change” in time?

    blah blah blah.

    Three things taught me conservative love: Jesus, Ronald Reagan, plus “Atlas Shrugged”

    Jaw drop.

    Saving our nation from inflation devestation. on my hands and knees prayin for salvation

    Maybe you should be trying to save it from deregulation that caused this whole economic crisis in the first place.

  73. GregLondon says:

    Lyrics: part 14

    Yo, we american son, pitch you wiht some knowledge. the movement has begun. everyone can suceed because our soldiers bleed. I said it in the verse now I said it in the chorus. Hard work is our motto. everyone can suceed because our soldiers bleed, daily. My views are rock solid, no chance that you can break me.

    Blah blah blah.

    This is the last of the lyrics.

    politically, they boil down to

    no taxes, no government regulation, laisse faire capitalism, break the law to get rich, homophobia, war, torture, which I believe can be summed up succinctly as:

    American Christian Theocracy

  74. KeithIrwin says:

    Honestly, the guy who goes first can actually rap. They just ruin it by overdubbing everything. It’s one of those things beginning rappers do a lot because they think it sounds cool. It makes weak rappers sound better (although not a lot better) and good rappers sound worse. The newest X-Clan album is terrible because they use the overdub for almost all of Brother J’s raps and he doesn’t need an overdub one bit.

    These guys are no Brother J, but it is clear to me that they have worked on their craft some, and didn’t just write this in five minutes. The second guy is clearly weaker, but I’ve seen a lot worse than him.

    Honestly, though, I don’t hate these guys. Obviously they’re going to be in opposition to the views of a lot of rappers who I love (such as The Coup, for one), but really, they’re using rap to do what most people have used rap to do: express what’s important to them in an honest way. They aren’t being hateful and because they confine themselves mostly to national politics, they’re not even really directly disagreeing with most of the politics of the rappers they are emulating. They may even not see their politics as being inconsistent with the usual political positions of rappers because if they really believe in most of this stuff, as they likely do, then they probably think that a conservative government with Rand-inspired policies would be the best thing to help uplift the poor and oppressed.

    More than anything else, they feel to me like people being pulled between two cultures, a popular culture which contains methods of expression and cultures which they find appealing but which they have never had a social connection to and a much more conservative culture that they’ve grown up in to which they are socially very connected. They seem to me to be in the conservative Christian culture and toeing its lines, but drawing inspiration from the hip hop culture. My hope is they eventually start to make some social connections with the hip hop community and actually come to see the harm that many of the political positions which they advocate do in the real world and the effects they have on people’s lives and through that lose their conservative naivete.

  75. zooniedog says:

    rectal-cranial inversion

  76. GregLondon says:

    Lyric:
    :I hate when government
    :dictating making states
    :how to be a merchant,
    :how to run a restaurant,
    :how to lay the pavement,

    They don’t like public highways?

    Another line around 2:30,
    “Great like the Gatsby”
    ???

  77. DWittSF says:

    If these guys are CWA, does that make Michael Steele Suge Knight?

  78. GregLondon says:

    Actually, a better summary of the lyrics in this video might be this:

    San Dimas High School football rules!!!!

  79. Anonymous says:

    these guys couldnt rap their way out of a paper bag.

  80. Anonymous says:

    …wow just wow I feel ashamed to be called English at this point in time…

  81. Kehaar says:

    That was good for several laughs, even though only first 10 seconds where viewed. They stink, Donald Trump would fire them, repeatedly.

  82. Takuan says:

    can Blotchy Oreilly be put on trial under the Patriot Act for inciting murder?

  83. nehpetsE says:

    about that conservative love,

    I might be wrong on this, but didn’t Ayn Rand say something to the effect that it was every mother’s responsibility to euthanize any disabled children she might bare?

  84. Kozmund says:

    I’d call satire, as a couple of young Republicans could surely get funding for better recording equipment.

  85. panopticadre says:

    They should’ve sampled Wagner or Sousa.

    As far as Ayn Rand goes…this is just another fine example as to how A=Only Ayn Rand. Let the objects think objectively.

  86. Xopher says:

    Ayn Rand was disabled herself. She was born without compassion or a conscience.

  87. Takuan says:

    even if it is satire, there are plenty of morons who think Colbert is for real.

  88. Anonymous says:

    Batting cage effort. Could these guys be any more awkward?

  89. Takuan says:

    if Blotchy was wearing a turban he’d be in Gitmo.

  90. Anonymous says:

    Wow, just..
    wow.

    Gatsby? Really?

    I’m not sure if I should be strongly offended, or if I should just roll on the floor laughing.
    Maybe both.

  91. noen says:

    Any Rand is useful to certain personalities. One can use her “philosophy” to rationalize one’s innate narcissism and greed. That’s why the oligarchy and their children love her so.

  92. failix says:

    I hate avoiding conversations, especially when the subject (abortion debate) is closely related to the posts subject (conservatism). It’s at least the second time a moderator asks me to avoid a certain subject on BB, that sucks… srsly…
    But thy will be done… as always. -_-

    Anyway, the best conservative rapper out there is still Michael Steele.

  93. jonathan_v says:

    I’m reminded of the “Generation Chickenhawk” video a while back.

    BB covered it:
    http://www.boingboing.net/2007/07/19/generation-chickenha.html

    “But while these college republicans supported the war in Iraq with all their hearts, they seemed reluctant to participate in it.

    Why are you not fighting them over there?
    A. Because I’m in college right now

    Are you gonna serve?
    A. I’ve uh, thought about it.

    If you support the war, why are you not serving in the military?
    A. I’m in school. Ha ha ha ha ha

  94. Xopher says:

    It’s not you, Failix. It’s the topic. It poisons all other conversation, and no one learns anything. People have very strong opinions about it (I do myself), and get too angry to discuss anything at all. If the thread were only about that, I’d let it go and only try to ride herd on civility, but there are other things to discuss here, so that one needs to go.

  95. Xopher says:

    Yes, Jonathan, they think the poor and brown should fight it. Selfish hypocrites.

  96. Pearl says:

    While I’m so very far from agreeing with their politics or taste in reading material, these two don’t seem to be significantly sneerier than other rappers I’ve seen.

    ..that said, I only made it to 1 minute into the video.

    It seems like this pair are only being called ‘sneering’ because of the politics – and frankly it’s unnecessary. They’re probably funny for most parts of the political spectrum.

  97. Daemon says:

    Ok, I can understand why somebody would be fond of Jesus. Seems like a rather likeable guy, by all accounts. I can even get Regan being popular despite his many flaws.

    But Ayn Rand?

  98. Hosidax says:

    “Liberals playing checkers, I’m playing chess -
    my conservative view is ‘Drill, Baby, Drill’…”

    HA! they aren’t even playing checkers…

    I don’t know if this rap is a joke, but those two sure are.

  99. rageahol says:

    adoption is only “win-win-win” for the children that get adopted.

    the rest wind up in the foster care system.

    go have a look sometime at the adoption rate of minority children in the foster care system.

    go take a tour some day of a few foster homes. i used to live next door to one. i have stories id be happy to share.

    by the time a kid is 7 or so, their chances of being adopted are virtually nil. and of course, your taxes pay for housing that child until they reach adulthood.

  100. Xopher says:

    The POTUS before Bush pere was Ronald Wilson Reagan. R – E – A – G – A – N.

    Mnemonic: It’s an anagram of ‘Insane Anglo Warlord’.

    Just thought you all would like to know.

  101. gulo gulo says:

    boing boing sure attracts the libertarians these days

    anyone who’s actually sat down and thought about any of this shit knows that that is not the road you want to take, for a multitude of reasons

    not least that EVERYONE HATES LIBERTARIANS

  102. Anonymous says:

    I would looooove to see KRS-One or Ice Cube take these guys apart on the mic. Won’t happen, though, because it’d be like asking Richard Dawkins to debate a community-college creationist.

  103. Keeper of the Lantern says:

    Eh.

    Atlas shrugged…

  104. subliminati says:

    This has been a really great thread and all…

    But how is it that only a few people have mentioned the friggin extra minute of tape at the end of this horror show?

    They thought the viewer would need a few extra moments to recover from the profound mind fuck explosion that would unavoidably result from having that much profound political science dropped on them?….

    By two pasty college dudes… With no flow… Who like jebus… and the dude from the picture on the back of Atlas Shrugged????

  105. Anonymous says:

    Urg. Lord privy seals abound in the first half.

  106. Modusoperandi says:

    Anonymous “these guys couldnt rap their way out of a paper bag.”
    They have people who do that for them.

  107. Anonymous says:

    you guys are so mean! …makin fun of the retarded kids. jeez.

  108. anachronismo says:

    @#81 POSTED BY SNIG

    and GREGLONDON

    No conservative is against health inspections in restaurants.

    They are definitely talking about smoking bans.

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      No conservative is against health inspections in restaurants.

      All liberals have x-ray vision and superhuman strength.

  109. Marcel says:

    This videoclip needs so much to be played on a jumbo screen on each of these guy’s birthdays for the next 20 years.
    While we make the gas face.

    In the meantime, here’s a little christian tune we can ALL enjoy:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-NOZU2iPA8

    Trust me, you’ll like it.

  110. Teller says:

    #26 Nerak: “White, upper-class, yuppies once again hi-jack the unique sound that has emerged from racism, poverty, and violence…”

    Totally. That’s why I hated Bill Evans and Mike Bloomfield and still hate Kobe – like he’s got any business trying to master a white man’s game.

  111. Utena says:

    EW! God no! If I want white rap, I’m going back to Eminem.

  112. Takuan says:

    even after Bruno?

  113. arkizzle says:

    As (thankfully) few and far between as it has been in this thread, let’s leave the white thing out. Teller cracked it at #77. Their race isn’t the issue, and shouldn’t be an issue.

  114. SeattlePete says:

    From the youngcons.com site:

    “David naturally attracted the name “Serious C” because he is seriously Christian and conservative. It also implies a 1250+ calorie protein weight gainer called “Serious Mass”.”

    So, wouldn’t that be Serious Double-C? And is this guy so in love with his daily protein shake (hehe) that he wants to work it into his rap-name?

    Working out too much > body image problems > self-esteem issues > repressed sexuality > republican

    Make your own call on that one but in the future I’m going to try and avoid awkward stances and using the stall next to Senator Serious C.

  115. ackpht says:

    I often wonder who it is that is profiting from keeping American political discourse in this futile tailspin of us-versus-them.

    I suspect that it is the people with lots of money, who don’t really have a country or consider themselves part of any society.

  116. Snig says:

    Is the lyric whinging about the gov’t telling us:
    “how to run a restaurant”
    part of the continuing love affair the Republicans have for food poisoining? Or is it complaining about destitute restaurant owners being forced to pay a higher minimum wage? Or is it being restricted from serving baby seal meat and fried dolphin? I’m befuddled.

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      Is the lyric whinging about the gov’t telling us: “how to run a restaurant” part of the continuing love affair the Republicans have for food poisoning?

      I’m going with disabled accessibility. It goes with the last administration’s theme of rolling veterans into the gutter.

  117. HailStorm says:

    @ GregLondon [#113] Oh well done! Party on, Dude!
    I’m still not convinced that this isn’t satire. It must be? Please…? Also: any idea whether the UK’s young conservatives have done their own rap yet? Chances are, it would be less scary, but much funnier. Also also: BNP raps? Have any been discovered? I would pay good money to see that.

  118. Anonymous says:

    aryt, now they call jesus, ronald reagan and the other guy, THINGS?

  119. Sthomas1073 says:

    I’ll never understand why Ayn Rand has been taken hostage by the conservative movement. Social conservative “values” are just so contrary to her philosophy.

  120. Fex says:

    It looks like they managed to get their entire fanbase into the video clip…

  121. Joe MommaSan says:

    Proving once again that it’s no longer possible to parody or satirize conservatives, because the reality is way more over-the-top than the parody. I’ll bet the writers at the Daily Show, SNL, and Colbert Report are jealous as hell.

    EVERYONE HATES LIBERTARIANS

    Not everybody. Some libertarians have excellent ideas. And as the libertarians like to say, if you want your personal freedom, that means the other guy gets his, too.

  122. Anonymous says:

    Sometimes Signs of the Apocalypse can be amusing in a cynical sort of way.

  123. Takuan says:

    it’s fun to mock assholes, but wouldn’t it be better to give press to people trying to build something?

  124. Anonymous says:

    White rapping at its worst.

  125. Trilby says:

    “forcing women to bear foetuses to term”…

    In the interest of balance, may I now refer to abortion as “murder” on this site?

  126. anachronismo says:

    @ #66 Rageahol: I’d rather grow up in foster care than never exist in the first place.

    As some one who doesn’t fit in with either political camp (I support limited government which seems to be lunacy and ridiculed around these parts) I found the video to be somewhat entertaining. It may not be a parody but it definitely tongue in cheek and these guys were probably laughing their azzess off the whole time putting it together.

    They aren’t idiots or morons, they just have a different philosophy than 95 percent of the people hear. Who is being close minded now?

  127. Anonymous says:

    I DO notice they’re playing to an empty house…

  128. Takuan says:

    ummmm… no.

  129. Anonymous says:

    Surely this is a joke. Rand hates Christianity… Her worldview holds it as as close to blasphemy as anything can be:

    “I do regard the cross as the symbol of the sacrifice of the ideal to the nonideal. Isn’t that what it does mean? Christ, in terms of the Christian philosophy, is the human ideal. He personifies that which men should strive to emulate. Yet, according to the Christian mythology, he died on the cross not for his own sins but for the sins of the nonideal people. [...] And it is in the name of that symbol that men are asked to sacrifice themselves for their inferiors. That is precisely how the symbolism is used. That is torture.”

  130. Roach says:

    But mocking assholes is easy and content-free!

    As long as they don’t agree with you, that is. Otherwise it’s just AWKWARD.

  131. rageahol says:

    anachronismo:

    “@ #66 Rageahol: I’d rather grow up in foster care than never exist in the first place.”

    that’s a cute sentiment and all, but since children in the foster care system are at significantly increased risk for suicide attempts, i would wager that you’re talking from a position of comfort. which, of course, makes your opinion pretty much meaningless in this context.

    http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/333/7558/0-e

    i would urge you, as i urged the previous commenter, to go for a visit to the places near you that have a lot of foster kids.

  132. Modusoperandi says:

    no such thing as utopia.
    Odd to see a group that seems to be fighting to return to a grossly simplified, cardboard cutout of the 1950′s (y’know. Mom, apple pie, no uppity negroes, with endless, crime-free, perfect suburbs as far as the eye could see) accusing Liberals of utopianism (are there any left?).

    don’t matter if you’re gay, straight, christian, or muslim…
    Unless, of course, you’re the first or last one.

    Mitch “And, if I recall correctly, wasn’t Jesus murdered at the request of some religious conservatives?”
    Shortly afterwards, another Pharisee became His greatest propagandist. I shit you not.

    Xopher “Ayn Rand was disabled herself. She was born without compassion or a conscience.”
    Yes, but she gave mild-sociopaths the world over the fantasy that they could run the place if, and this is the critical part, the other 90%+ of the world population would only play by their rules.
    Seriously, if things for these kids that been only a little bit different (more than a smidge of empathy, for example), Randians would’ve gone goth.

    subliminati “But how is it that only a few people have mentioned the friggin extra minute of tape at the end of this horror show?”
    That’s space for their new ideas.

    Anonymous “you guys are so mean! …makin fun of the retarded kids.”
    And your comment is offensive to the many fine and upstanding, if slow, kids. (Have I gone PC? Have I matured? When I was growing up, “retard” was still in common usage)

    anachronismo “I support limited government which seems to be lunacy and ridiculed around these parts.”
    Which version of “limited government”. Modern Conservatism’s version eliminates pretty much everything that benefits the little guy. They don’t seem to care helping rich people to get richer at the expense of the poor (and working poor, and rapidly disappearing middle class) is helping the very people that need it the least (not to mention the FDA and EPA, two other Con nightmares). Government (and its services) is for all the people, not just those who can afford to buy in to the Ferme générale.

    GregLondon “I think they lost in the last election. Might want to check your numbers again.”
    Rightwing refrain: Conserativism doesn’t fail, Conservatives do (corrupted by the fatcats in Washington! Also, they were never True Conservatives!).

    “Garbled. Not sure what the point was here.”
    Carter’s malaise (Obama) will lead to a Reaganesqe rebirth (Palin 2012).

    “Maybe you should be trying to save it from deregulation that caused this whole economic crisis in the first place.”
    Good God, man! It only failed because it didn’t go far enough. The solution to the failure of deregulation is less regulation!

    Antinous / Moderator “All liberals have x-ray vision and superhuman strength.”
    Yup. Those are both side effects Liberals got after the explosion in the lab (studying medical marijuana!…at taxpayer expense!…while listening to NPR!).
    Maybe it was arugula.

  133. Keeper of the Lantern says:

    In a way, it’s perfect. It embodies all that’s wrong with “conservatives” these days. They actually start off with things I can kinda get behind: Decreasing the power of the state, smaller government, etc…all the old Conservative shibboleths.

    They then proceed to unleash a litany of things they are for but that require (and have already caused!) huge amounts of government and interference in our daily lives.

    In the end, the embody the perfectly confused giant-government world of the conservative repugs.

    Perfect.

    The rap sucked, by the way.

  134. Anonymous says:

    reminds me of Tim Robins’ fake music videos in his mockumentary “Bob Roberts”.

  135. Takuan says:

    it’s a world-view founded on hatred.

  136. Chris the Tiki guy says:

    When will people stop porking Ayn Rand’s long moldering corpse? It’s getting quite unseemly.

  137. Small Om says:

    This is either a brilliant critique on the GOP’s attempts at making many outdated tenants of modern conservatism hip through superficial presentation or an example of young republicans failing to understand irony.

    To be fair though, someone saying they’re a member of young republicans gives me fair warning in the dating game.

    -SH.

  138. demidan says:

    @#39 posted by JToddLeffar

    Sounds good,,,but what about all the unwanted children that are not adopted as an infant and then bounce around from foster to foster? Some people seem to forget that there are thousands of children who dream of being adopted but will not because they are not cute babies, they are just troubled and lonely.

  139. Michael Slater says:

    Their BEATS are WEAK; their FLOW is SHIT.

    Plus, I don’t need a sanctimonious 23yo to tell me how things should work.

    I’d rather listen to Speak, the Hungarian Rapper.

  140. Anonymous says:

    I’m sure these nimrods are all abstaining until marriage, just like those government-funded PSA’s tell them to. (Oh, they don’t mention “marriage,” they just say young people should “wait” … for something.)

    I think it’s interesting that the people who uncritically regurgitate the quite dubious proposition that every dead soldier is good for our freedom are the same people who literally believe “Jesus” died “for our sins.” That is, that two completely separate and unrelated things can be supernaturally connected through the Magic of Death.

    They’re literally sending American soldiers to die in Asia as part of a religious practice of human sacrifice. It doesn’t have to make sense. If Jeebus screaming on the cross can make my sins go away, then sure Private Johnny screaming in a ditch can make me “free.” No problem. Scream, Johnny, scream!

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