Wikileaks: Cables show India accused of widespread, systematic torture in Kashmir

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20 Responses to “Wikileaks: Cables show India accused of widespread, systematic torture in Kashmir”

  1. dharma says:

    Rahul Gandhi is proving to be a dim-witted dynastic tool. he’s not gonna become PM of India in free and fair elections.

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  3. aninsomniac says:

    Not surprising a revelation at all. At least not for Indians. “Third degree” is a common and recognized form of police interrogation in India. I’d be glad if this is actually taken up by Indian human rights organizations and blown into a big issue. It’s high time for a legal prohibition of torture in interrogations.

  4. Anonymous says:

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  5. dharma says:

    While I fully support India in fighting off Pakistan-stirred militancy and violence in Kashmir (Pakistan infiltrated around 20K terrorists into J&K since 1988. See Hillary: Pakistan used terror outfits against India and The US had asked Pakistan in 2002 to end infiltration across the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir..), I would not condone torture. While some rough and tough interrogation is needed in dealing with militants, especially in the somewhat chaotic law and order climates that exist in poor and developing countries, crossing over into torture is not OK.

    However, as technogeek points out, accusations are not facts unless and until there is evidence.

  6. WaylonWillie says:

    Finally the Dalai Lama scandal!!! And if you think this is bad, just wait until you hear what he has to say about the object of negation of an ultimacy seeking consciousness according to the Sautrantika school.

  7. Rukasu says:

    Your map is outdated…jus’ sayin’ is all

  8. Bloodboiler says:

    The Dalai Lama is freaking awesome.

    About 3 million people in Tibet suffering from political oppression versus lets say 5 billion (including Tibetans) who will suffer from climate change. For a reincarnation of the Buddha it is probably not difficult to pick the choice that produces less suffering.

  9. Sapa says:

    ” “Melting glaciers, deforestation and increasingly polluted water from mining projects were problems that ‘cannot wait’,” the memo quoted the Buddhist monk and Nobel peace laureate as saying to ambassador Timothy Roemer.”

    This is from http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101218/wl_afp/usdiplomacywikileakschinaindiatibet_20101218095937

    The water up there is being used to systematically flood other regions including India deliberately.

  10. Rayonic says:

    I was going to say that undermining the Dalai Lama is bad, but if he really thinks Tibet can wait another 5-10 years then he probably should have a frank discussion with his followers.

    • Lobster says:

      I’d also say that undermining the Dalai Lama is bad, but since when was he a climatologist?

      • imag says:

        You don’t have to be a climatologist to realize that a change in climate will alter the ways of life of anyone who depends upon their natural surroundings for survival. You also don’t need to be a climatologist to understand that rising sea level will disappear entire nations on atolls, and gigantic swaths of nations like Vietnam.

        You don’t even have to be a climatologist to know that rapid change is occurring, when the global average temperature is doing this: http://cvjh.alpinedistrict.org/Faculty/pusey411/images/Graph1.gif

        It is stunning how cavalierly many Americans take climate change as a “personal freedom” issue, when that personal freedom is going to literally kill millions and change the lives of billions.

      • travtastic says:

        I think he’s capable of reading.

      • Ugly Canuck says:

        Tibetans, like the peoples of the Arctic, LIVE with the direct obvious and visible signs of climate change, and feel its effects in their daily lives, simply due to where they live.

        Canaries in coalmines, is the metaphor for which you seek.

  11. Anonymous says:

    Read “Maximum City” by Mehta. It’s about Bombay/Mumbai and covers policing procedures, which include many of these same techniques. To limit this discussion to Kashmir is unfortunate and smacks of politics. Actually, what we quickly call torture (not to be an apologist) is SOP for much of the third world. It’s so prevalent that the mere threat of wires attached to a car battery is often enough to solicit information. Shame, but true. That said, as long as India is seen as the “occupier” of Indian Kashmir, and not a legitimate partner for the indigenous residents, there will be violence.

  12. Hagrid says:

    Re: India condones use of torture
    Wow, “Slumdog Millionaire” scoops WikiLeaks!

  13. ziggurat says:

    Hindu nationalists want to keep Kashmir with any means necessary. They are worried that if Kashmir gets independence which it eventually will, rest of Indian separatist states(too many to count) will want independence too. India is the biggest sham in the world. Everything contrasts right in front of your eyes. Rich and poor divide is biggest in that country. The only way out is to drop the hypocrisy and give Kashmir independence.

  14. technogeek says:

    “Accused” by itself isn’t news, it’s rumor. If there’s evidence, that’s a different kettle of worms.

  15. Ugly Canuck says:

    Idiots, brainwashed idiots…get outside and away from the tv/computer screens, already.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/15/fox-news-climate-change-email

    Love the way you manage your news, darling!
    How do you get it to stay like that? Do tell!

  16. pmocek says:

    A friend expressed concern to me that WikiLeaks are focused exclusively on U.S. regime change. I’d like to find an index of cables WikiLeaks have published that expose wrongdoing and unflattering behavior of governments other than that of the United States.

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