Tapes show Italian priest lured teenage boys for sex, paid them with cocaine

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  1. Anonymous says:

    Remember to donate to your local Catholic church — they need the money for this guy’s legal defense!

  2. Peter K. says:

    @Xeni: The article linked doesn’t appear to mention the cardinal as being under investigation for the crimes in question. It sounds like he’s looking into the matter after the fact.

    Unless you’re getting your information from another source (or I’m completely overlooking something) you should probably correct that headline.

  3. SamSam says:

    I love Time.com’s attempts to cross-pollinate their stories by putting in links half-way through a story with anything vaguely-related:

    … The priest is charged with having attempted to kiss and touch an underage altar boy and of having exchanged cocaine for sexual intercourse with boys over 18.

    (See inside Pope Benedict XVI’s daily life.)

    Yup.

  4. Kai says:

    But don’t forget! This is actually all our/societies fault…

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/19/us-catholic-church-sexual-abuse-report

    Or at least, so they say. *shakes head* Ridiculous.

  5. blackanvil says:

    “If the Vatican was a major corporation, and their top executives not only molested children, but covered up their fellow executive’s misdeed, there would be a shareholder riot with management being forced to step down and facing criminal charges.”

    Have you been following the media recently? If it were a major corporation and it’s executives doing this, Congress would be falling all over itself trying to push corporate tax cuts for pederasty related activities, legislation exempting the executives from prosecution, and the whole affair would be declared an issue of national security with a media blackout and anyone who investigates too deeply sent off to Guantanamo.

    • Anonymous says:

      It’s not child molestation, it’s “enhanced communion.” Wingnuts will be lining up to explain how it’s vital to western civilization that clergymen be allowed, no, supplied with a steady supply of youngsters to keep them happy while they minister morality to the rest of us.

  6. William George says:

    This will end when the RCC ends. May that day come sooner rather than later.

  7. Anonymous says:

    everyone should listen to tim minchens pope song.

  8. Anonymous says:

    Maybe his archbishop, Bagnasco, asked him to study the child abuse issue and he took a hands-on approach. To save the children, one must first… erm… learn more about how abuse could happen.

  9. Anonymous says:

    It’s yet another example of why religion has nothing to do with morality. Whether it’s pedopriests like the slimeball mentioned in this item, Ted Haggard on crystal meth, or serial adulterer baptists abandoning wives and children for the new model, the religious “think” they can excuse immoral behaviour by praying it away.

    These people aren’t interested in personal responsibility, they want a “personal relationship with cheezus” and personal absolution of their crimes. What they are interested in is using religion to justify and excuse unethical acts instead of admitting their crimes are a result of their own actions and desires.

    .

  10. Anonymous says:

    celibacy is sexually aberrant behaviour;
    institution requires celibacy as requirement for leadership;
    institution suffers indignities as leaders are found to be sexually aberrant.

    institution gradually loses credibility and relevance (we can only hope!)

  11. RobDubya says:

    re: #57 I present Tim Minchin’s “The Pope Song”.

  12. somedays says:

    Can they confirm that the Pope is Catholic? That’s the real question here. The public have a right to know!

  13. RobDubya says:

    Oh, NSFW audio and tiny animated penises, just so you know.

  14. eclu says:

    I know it is off the point but it seems cliche and mildly sensationalising to state things like:
    “He is said to have boasted in the recorded cellphone conversations that local shopping malls were the best place to pick up boys for sex. ”

    The use of the verb Boasted just seems an incorrect way to describe his statement … how is
    ” .. local shopping malls are the best place to pick up boys ” a boast?

    Somehow this has the flavour of tabloid reporting – the adding in of an additional, sinister, calculating quality to make the reportage more lurid.

    It seems to me that looking for sex with anyone under the age of consent is damning enough.

  15. awjtawjt says:

    So it was that guy’s Sony laptop yesterday?

  16. Tau'ma says:

    Child molestation, covering child molestation up, aiding and/or abetting child molestation in any way, is criminal. People who do this will get what they deserve. “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe (in me) to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were put around his neck and he were thrown into the sea.”

    Not everyone who goes to church goes for the same reason. In all walks of life, in all institutions, there are traitors like Judas Iscariot.

    Nothing changes who Jesus Is. Pure, unspoilt religion, in the eyes of God our Father, is this.

  17. gracchus says:

    Oh, and please don’t tell us how donations go to charitable programmes and other good works; they do, but Papa Prada and his boys always get a cut of everything. I’d expect no less from any other gangster or political machine boss.

    If a Catholic wants to contribute to charities, there are better recipients than these creeps.

  18. Teller says:

    The priesthood is a convenient delivery system for people who would be looking for the same menu items regardless. They’re sick. And priests marrying isn’t going to quell their attraction to underage opposite- or same-sex victims. imo.

    • Brainspore says:

      The priesthood is a convenient delivery system for people who would be looking for the same menu items regardless.

      Whether that’s true or not, most organizations wouldn’t spend decades enabling and protecting any child molesters found within their ranks.

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      The priesthood is a convenient delivery system for people who would be looking for the same menu items regardless.

      As Ripley said in Alien Resurrection, they’ll go where the meat is.

      • Teller says:

        Scout troops, little league, party clowns, swim teams, ice cream trucks, priesthood, Facebook – some places make access easier for sick fucks. But it’s idiotic to blame baseball because little league was attractive to dirtbags.

        • Michael Smith says:

          Scout troops, little league, party clowns, swim teams, ice cream trucks, priesthood,

          The classic for me is an organisation called “Parents without partners” in Victoria, Australia. I lived over the road from their facility for many years. The idea is that they open an accommodation facility which accepts referrals from different welfare organisations including the police. The people they accept have to be single parents currently caring for their children. Typically a parent would be male, in their 20s or 30s and with a substance abuse problem. They would have one or more children of either gender. The facility has a manager with absolute authority over who stays and goes at all times. No records are kept of who lives there and when. There is no oversight over the standard of living and protection in place. I have no proof that children were abused in there, but I know for a fact that there were no mechanisms in place to detect such abuse, and this was by design.

  19. Ipo says:

    I’m not a member of one of these religion clubs. Is it a requirement to be evilly sexually deviant to join, or is that just for the professionals that have cool costumes?

  20. Wildan says:

    Pure evil.

  21. smncameron says:

    As usual, Zach Weiner says it best:
    http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2234

  22. emmdeeaych says:

    At some point someone is going to realize the problems with the gay priests is just the tip of the iceberg. Lots of priests are not gay, but it’s only teh squicky buttseks that makes the news. Same damage done, just not as newsworthy when it’s hetero.

    • Anonymous says:

      Sex with 14 year old boys is not gay sex, it’s child abuse caused by pedophilia.

      Blaming this on homosexuality instead of pedophilia is exactly what the church would like you to do.

  23. Anonymous says:

    I don’t believe in Hell, but I’m down with creating Hell on Earth for those who perpetrate crimes like this. Of course there is a world between accusation and guilt.

  24. Mister N says:

    I hope he gets charged and thrown in prison. It’s disgusting that someone so close to an institution in charge of morality takes advance of ” boys who have family issues” . They are supposed to be the beacons in morality and almost all the times all these people are guilty of despicable and disgusting human abuse.

    hp y gt thrwn n jl whr krm wll gt hm bck. y cn nsrt ll th vsls f mtr nmts dng ll th thngs h dd t ths pr bys.

    • MrMightKnowSomething says:

      “It’s disgusting that someone so close to an institution in charge of morality takes advance of…”

      Why is the catholic church in charge of morality? What does morality have to do with them?

      • Anonymous says:

        There’s this thing called Hell. You might have heard of it. It’s the (de facto) basis for the Church’s existence.

    • jacob_ewing says:

      :%s/in charge of morality/in charge of perverting morality/

      Fixed your sentence for you.

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      As justifiably angry as you may be, we’re not accepting wishes for prison rape.

  25. Anonymous says:

    Royal order of pedophilia of the beloved. how many shams will it take to rid society of these Sunday terrorists

  26. Mark Frauenfelder says:

    Has the Vatican issued the press release yet that distances itself from Father Seppia, claiming he was never an important figure in the the Catholic Church?

  27. cjp says:

    If the qualification for the job is that you believe in perpetuating a psychologically damaging fairy tale, the candidates you end up with are probably not going to be good people. My policy is to assume that anyone who volunteers to spend time alone with a kid that isn’t their own is likely a shithead pedo. I hate the sound of that too, but unfortunately it comes from a hard lesson learned.

  28. nemo says:

    You need a correction. Seppia is just a parish priest. It’s his archbishop, Bagnasco, who is working with the pope on guidelines for dealing with abuse.

    At first, I misread the story the same way you did.

  29. gracchus says:

    Child molestation, covering child molestation up, aiding and/or abetting child molestation in any way, is criminal. People who do this will get what they deserve.

    Sure, especially since those responsible Catholic leaders who promote the Biblical verses you quote never cover up for the “traitors” in their midst, and always look first to the flaws in their own institution when it comes to assigning blame.

    Oh, wait…

    Really, spare us this BS about the RCC’s version of “justice.” When they start acknowledging again that the clergy serves the laity, rather than vice-versa; when they stop trying to roll back Vatican II; when they send Bernie Law back to the U.S. to participate in that criminal justice process; when they make the barest start at looking at their own rotten barrel rather than blaming “a few bad apples”: only then will I even read statements like yours without rolling my eyes.

  30. signsofrain says:

    Yeahhhhh… the church has an incurable disease. This. Will. Never. Stop.

  31. EH says:

    At least he didn’t used to be a Nazi.

  32. Anonymous says:

    Nope, no systemic problem of child abuse in the church. LALALALALALA!

    Perhaps someone needs to explain to the Papacy that diddling little boys is still sex.

  33. GrrrlRomeo says:

    Seppia isn’t gay. He just realizes that the kids who are the absolute least likely to go to the authorities and rat him out are closeted gay kids. “Look for needy boys who have family issues.” Read: gay boys. The already know how to keep a secret and they’ve already been made to feel ashamed of their sexuality.

    Society makes LGBT kids vulnerable, and sexual predators scoop them up like vultures. So it should not be surprising that the sexual predators are part of the same group that makes kids vulnerable to sexual abuse.

  34. Anonymous says:

    That symbol in the background, is that an S&M thing?

  35. franko says:

    italian media is reporting that he’s HIV positive, too:
    http://www.eschatonblog.com/2011/05/needy-boys-who-have-family-issues.html

  36. Ash says:

    If the Vatican was a major corporation, and their top executives not only molested children, but covered up their fellow executive’s misdeed, there would be a shareholder riot with management being forced to step down and facing criminal charges.

    Why is this not happening with Catholics and the Vatican??

    • Anonymous says:

      The Catholic Church is probably the most powerful single organization in the world, transcending national, ethnic, and economic boundaries and able to command myriad legions of willing martyrs any time they choose.

      Does that answer your question?

    • Anonymous says:

      “there would be a shareholder riot with management being forced to step down and facing criminal charges” ?! There would be huge bonuses going round and law-enforcers would be well compensated for their non-efforts. And… The Church IS a Corporation.

    • EdCS says:

      Because of “faith”. You know, that all-important buzzword which means putting your hand over your ears and humming to yourself until the secularists stop talking to you about facts and science and child abuse.

    • tylerh says:

      “Why is this not happening with Catholics and the Vatican??”

      It is.

      The response amongst the American Catholic Laity to the ongoing sex scandals has been significant. The easiest place to see this response is the enormous drop in church collections. The most important place to see this is how the Vatican is getting hyper-controlling of US appointments and bank accounts. The Vatican is legitimately worried that the US Catholic church is simply going to leave — that is, schism.

      Remember: Modern American Catholics are every bit as diverse as Modern Americans, so any question of the form “why do /don’t Catholics do X” is probably painting with too broad of a brush.

    • CatherineCC says:

      > Why is this not happening with Catholics and the Vatican??

      Hey, have you heard how evil homosexuals want to destroy marriage and recruit our children? Let me tell you more…

    • Anonymous says:

      Are you kidding?
      If this was an American corporation they would be asking for and getting bailout money and tax breaks.
      And the stockholders would be silent as long as they got their dividend checks.

  37. goetzy says:

    faith. it’s a helluva drug.

  38. cleclc says:

    These stories hurt my heart. As a lay person in the Church, I feel strongly until other members of the laity stand up and are vocal in their disgust and rejection of these clergy, victims will never find peace or justice. As a Catholic, I publicly condemn and reject any priest that does this. I only wish the hierarchy of the Church would do the same thing.

    • Anonymous says:

      clecc, if you really want to stop this shit, and you aren’t just a prating apologist for a thousand years of abuse, tell your Church that priests should be allowed to marry. Refuse to stop telling them until they listen.

      Catholics are trying to deny cause and effect. Celibacy is inhuman and leads inevitably to illicit sex for some number of priests. Illicit sex within the confines of Catholic theology leads inevitably to a culture of covering up “the sin”, in the name of Christian compassion and forgiveness. Covering up for consensual adult sex provides a framework for covering up less consensual, fundamentally exploitative sex – that is easier (and in some senses “safer”) for priests to obtain than consensual adult sex. Then once the culture of paedophilia is established, more paedophiles will move to the place where they can practice their vice without repercussions.

      If Catholics enjoined their priesthood to accept the blessings of God and enter into mutually consensual sexual relationships as the Bible endorses for all men and women, the framework of cover-ups that allows this shit to go on would be significantly undercut, if not outright destroyed.

      You cannot follow the teachings of Jesus and endorse a celibate priesthood. It’s completely incompatible.

      • Anonymous says:

        Actually, the rate of pedophilia in the church (around 4% of priests in the US have substantiated accusations of sexual abuse of minors between 1950 and 2004) is about the same as the rate in the general population.

        Doesn’t make it right, by any means, but claiming a tie to celibacy is specious, by statistics’ account.

        • chgoliz says:

          Actually, the rate of pedophilia in the church (around 4% of priests in the US have substantiated accusations of sexual abuse of minors between 1950 and 2004) is about the same as the rate in the general population.

          Substantiated accusations? Uh-huh. Most Catholic rape apologists have already given up using the above claim as a defense. You must have missed the memo.

        • Anonymous says:

          Actually, the rate of pedophilia in the church (around 4% of priests in the US have substantiated accusations of sexual abuse of minors between 1950 and 2004) is about the same as the rate in the general population.

          Doesn’t make it right, by any means, but claiming a tie to celibacy is specious, by statistics’ account.

          Except…that these are people who a) will have a lower level of substantiation of their crimes – because they are backed by an international mafia who – by deliberate policy – pretend to be concerned while actually facilitating the crime; and b) do make ‘theological’ (whatever that might might mean) claims about celibacy. Apparently, receiving communion makes you sexually “chaste”.

          And then they have the balls to lecture us on morality.

          People seem to listen too. Look at the second post in this thread. There is someone, Mister N, who – while perhaps appalled by the crime – believes that the RCC is ‘an institution in charge of morality’. How on earth can anyone be persuaded that this institutionally rapacious, murderous, cynical, corrupt bag of vomit is ‘in charge of morality’?

          The RCC should hire themselves out in a marketing capacity with success like that.

          • Anonymous says:

            Just because someone claims to be chaste, doesn’t mean they are or are not. They are people, and will act like people. What we should be upset about is the politics of the church that permit this stuff to go unpunished. People like this should be publicly excommunicated, and the church should help move them to a prison or asylum. I myself am a Catholic, and I too hope that these wicked men are brought to justice.

        • Ipo says:

          Considering all the syndicated cover up, 4% substantiated accusations of sexual abuse of minors is an extremely high percentage, that would still radically climb if the time frame was from the nineties until now.
          You people shouldn’t act like this was a catholic problem only, or just a christian issue. (I hear that some muslim priests have multiple wifes, Aisha was 9 years old for her wedding)
          Have they claimed in this case yet that it wasn’t pedophilia, but a case of a homosexual who just happened to wear a frock-thing at work? They got infiltrated, not their fault.

    • gracchus says:

      As a Catholic, I publicly condemn and reject any priest that does this. I only wish the hierarchy of the Church would do the same thing.

      That’s all well and good, as long as you’re also withholding your money from the hierarchy (including American cardinals and bishops like the now-fled Bernie “The Shuffler” Law). The hierarchy only cares about the North American laity for their dollars, so denying them every last cent is the only way you can send those abuse-enabling scumbags a message.

      Your disgust, on the other hand, means as much to Ratzi and his cronies as do any reformist or progressive opinions you might have regarding the RCC — nothing.

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