Canadian politician: My internet spying bill would help us catch serial killers like Luka Magnotta

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49 Responses to “Canadian politician: My internet spying bill would help us catch serial killers like Luka Magnotta”

  1. TMWaH says:

    …Except that Magnotta made all of his sociopathic tendencies very, very public. He posted videos of animal torture, journals about necrophilia, and how-to guides for “vanishing” from police. He wore his evil on his sleeve, and yet, nobody tried to investigate him BEFORE he killed anyone.

    Vic Toews is deluded if he thinks that a spying bill would stop people like Magnotta. What law enforcement needs is a better method for analyzing data and putting it to use, not terabytes of stolen e-mails to comb through.

    • Paul Renault says:

      …you didn’t mention that quite a few people called lots of cops alerting them to the videos, the web postings, the messages.  

      And the cops did nothing – you’d think that they had never heard of Robert Pickton, didn’t remember that lots of people were calling attention to him.

      Maybe they don’t know how to read newspapers, listen to radio and TV newscasts, eh.

      I really hope the journalists call him on this.

      • Xeni Jardin says:

        No, that’s a good point. The Sun makes this claim, did I miss the fact that other papers do, also?

      • Sigmund_Jung says:

        Being relatively new to Canada and Montreal, I believe SPVM and other Canadian police are not ready to deal with pure evil. It is almost as if they could not believe such things could happen. They seem well-prepared for a lot of day to day crimes, but not this.

        The fact that the guy posted cat-killing videos and even warned news that “next time it would not be cats” just blows my mind.

        So, for Mr. Toews, if you can’t catch a killer that sends you videos and gives interviews, I certainly doubt you can catch one by monitoring any crap on the Internet. 

        • Cowicide says:

          So, for Mr. Toews, if you can’t catch a killer that sends you videos and gives interviews, I certainly doubt you can catch one by monitoring any crap on the Internet.

          Not to mention that by monitoring EVERYONE including their grandmother, it makes it even more difficult to see this info within the mountainous haystack of data.

          Maybe Mr. Toews should focus more on having law enforcement doing better jobs with current laws than desperately trying to strip the rights of all citizens like a nazi?  (godwin’s law? I’m a law breaker, sorry).

          • BombBlastLightingWaltz says:

            OR have the police actually do their job of investigating an alleged homicide when alerted to such.

  2. S says:

    Toews is just being ridiculous as usual. MILLIONS of people knew Magnotta was a threat looong before he killed anyone. Police were contacted, did nothing. The current laws would have allowed police to track him down rather easily if they had chosen to actually investigate. They can get a WARRANT for his info in minutes. What Toews is proposing is have NO warrant required and NO record of who even snooped. His bill would also allow NON police entities such as HIMSELF and MOP to snoop whenever they please with NO accountibility.

  3. duc chau says:

    Do politicians not realize they’re the villains from every hopelessly cliched ham-handed hackneyed Hollywood movie ever?

    • Sigmund_Jung says:

      Hollywood is to blame (of course not, people are to blame, but hear me…) 
      People grow up watching Steven Segal board (in mid air) a hijacked 747 and save the world from terrorists. In real life, terrorists hijack and throw airplanes agains buildings in less than 30 minutes. Everybody was perplexed, everybody asked “where were the airforce jets”. We expect real life to pan out like a movie.
      Politicians capitalize on the Hollywood notion that you just need to have some heroes ready to save us.  Mr. Toews might even be sincere on his intentions, but they are certainly based on his evenings at Cineplex.

  4. “‘Certainly, that’s what the police have told me – that the powers in Bill C-30 are very relevant to this type of investigation…’”

    Certainly. Because we all know police take the time to read bills that are before parliament and have the legal and political savvy necessary to fully understand the bill’s effect on current events.

    No, wait. I meant Bullshit.

    How is Vic Toews not a complete embarrassment to this government?

    • Peppermint says:

      Honestly the more I read and the more I get the impression that the whole Canadian government is an embarrassment to the very definition of governement.

    • elix says:

      I remember the last time I heard Vic talking about Bill C-30, on a radio interview. He didn’t even know what was in his bill. The fact that the RCMP are hungering for the restrictions to come off so they don’t have to go through all the red tape to spy on someone is not the way you should be pushing this bill, Vic.

      The Harper Government[tm](R)(C), LLC, is an embarrassment to Canada. Sir John A is in danger of coming apart from the torque, he’s spinning around so quickly in his grave.

    • Craig Hartel says:

      He isn’t an embarrassment because he’s a Harper puppet. He’s singing everything on Harper’s songsheet.

  5. Cowicide says:

    My Internet spying bill will prevent tornados.

  6. Jardine says:

    Sun News has also been using this case to push their “bring back the death penalty” agenda. The easy argument against that is to point out the well-known cases where it later turned out that people were wrongly convicted. Their counter to that is that it would only be used in cases where we’re sure that we’ve caught the murderer. As if the justice system wasn’t sure about David Milgaard, Guy-Paul Morin, Donald Marshall, and Steven Truscott.

    • Terrance Snider says:

      The sun news network has been disgusting, this article here is one of there’s.
      They’ve been creating 12-15 articles a day on magnotta.

      They have even gone as far as to publish this article
      http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/01/new-youtube-video-sounds-like-magnotta-expert

      Which might point to a youtube account Luka has been actively using to comment on the murder.  

      Myself and many others had been sending tips to the RCMP and crime stoppers about this account while it remained relatively obscure, now these morons at the sun are risking scaring him away from this account if it is indeed him.

      The sun news network is a sick organization of rich angry old white men, who appeal to a rich angry old white male viewer base. 

      If the sun news network ever becomes a popular network in canada, ill have lost faith with the future generations that will be running our country in 20 years. 

      • Jardine says:

        Thankfully their ratings seem to suck as much as they do.

        • Bryan Regehr says:

           Good thing they aren’t sucking on the public teat like some public broadca-  oh.

          • Funk Daddy says:

            I too lament that ratings reflect “Two and a half Men” is the most popular/viewed television broadcast in Canada in 2011.

            It shouldn’t be like that. With the elimination of the CBC we won’t have to waste time rating broadcasters, everyone can just watch something like “Two and a half Men”. 

            I haven’t ever seen “Two and a half Men”, but I’m sure it is a fine program because so many people watch it, and that there is no valid reason to have other programs if there are not as many people watching them.

  7. Craig Hartel says:

    @XeniJardin:disqus I don’t think this person has been identified as being a serial killer – to my knowledge he is alleged to have killed only one person. That said, he supposedly killed some kittens and posted the video.

    One more thing, the Conservatives have a huge omnibus bill they are shoving through Parliament, and I don’t think that C-30 is actually dead. The bill is nearly 500 pages long and covers the gamut of Conservative policies that are taking my country further towards a police state that cowtows to the Americans. Note that our federal cops, the RCMP, are going to “ease” Canadians into the idea of allowing US agents into Canada to directly pursue suspects. Would Americans even entertain the idea of letting Canadian cops onto their soil to chase people down and drag them back here?

    • elix says:

      The RCMP have international jurisdiction and have had it for a long time. (Hint: If you’re ever wanted by the RCMP for anything, fleeing south across the border will not save you, as they’ll just follow you across; there’s none of this having-to-stop-at-the-state-line outrun-the-cops saved-by-the-border business.)

      While the concept disgusts me, it would be a matter of reciprocating. Besides, look at Marc Emery. 

      • Craig Hartel says:

        I would like to see the source of your information. Canada has to deal with most US states on a one-by-one basis for extradition matters. With respect, elix, I think you are mistaken.

        • elix says:

          I appear to have been misinformed, as I went to look it up and found that it’s an uncommon, but repeated, myth. There’s a tradition of cooperation between the RCMP and US authorities, especially near the border, which contributed to the myth.

    • Wendy Kitten says:

      Yeah, technically you need at least 2 or more human kills to be a serial killer…Gein only had two that were known, but  that box of ‘fresh’ vagina….who knows.

  8. Terrance Snider says:

    “Certainly, that’s what the police have told me — that the powers in Bill C-30 are very relevant to this type of investigation in terms of either determining who the individual is, or determining the whereabouts of an individual,” said Toews on Friday in Winnipeg.”

    This is such BS.  As if they arent fast tracking warrants right now to obtain all the tracking abilities they need to track this guy down.

    The only reason they havent got him is because investigators REPEATEDLY ignored online efforts for years to have this guy arrested and charged for his animal mutilations and killings. 
    They ignored a tip from a US lawyer about the murder video
    They ignored tips from UK and German news outlets who reported on the cat killings, and threats he made that he would move on from cats

    I knew this slime ball Toews would use this tragedy as a tool for his draconian legislation.

    Get a warrant and do it right Toews. and stop using Jun Lin’s murder as a tool, you tool.

  9. fr4nk says:

    My internet spying bill will help the police and government to be more efficient, and help to catch dangerous criminals faster.  It requires that a public server automatically keeps logs and data of everything done by all employees in all government departments.
    The public can see where money and time are being wasted, and make the appropriate changes.

  10. cdincanada says:

    OMG… the Devil really DOES wear it!!!

  11. This whole mess makes me sick to my stomach.  

  12. RT @ToewsVic Bill C-30 would have prevented George Lucas from making those fucking awful Star Wars prequels.

  13. rocketpjs says:

    Toews and the rest of the CPC government live in an evidence free zone of their own making.  There is very little that can be said to them about that which they ‘Know to be true’.  Sadly, nothing can be done to change their position for another 3.5 years.

    • elix says:

      Who knows, we might get lucky. This robocalling scandal might be enough to trigger a no-confidence vote, or a petition to the Governor-General to do the same. We can only hope.

      • rocketpjs says:

        Confidence votes require a majority in the House, which they have and will not give up.  Maybe in the case of blatant and un-spinnable illegality, but they are very good at legal delaying tactics (i.e. until the next election).

        The GG can’t really do much unless there is a case of overt illegality, and even then it is nearly impossible.  GG’s job is crucial but only happens on occasion, most of the time it is ribbon cutting etc.

        Our only hope is really that they will keep pissing people off until they lose their thin vote lead in the next election.

        • elix says:

          I think if they legally delayed investigation into a blatant, impossible-to-spin scandal being dragged out for 3-4 years until the next election, they’d have wrapped themselves up into such contorted pretzel nightmare shapes that they would basically get deep sixed as hard as Paul Martin’s Liberals after the sponsorship scandal. You just can’t survive intentionally obstructing federal government investigations for three or four years for the sake of holding onto power.

          • rocketpjs says:

            I’d like to agree with what you said, except that they just did exactly that with the last Elections Canada financing fraud scandal (remember the in-and-out 2 elections/5 years ago?).  They just recently admitted they had done wrong, now that they have a majority with 3 years to make it old news.

            Where Paul Martin went wrong (from a political POV) was in calling a public inquiry and giving his opponents an opportunity to tar him with the brush. The Cons are smarter and know to bury/deny/sue until the ‘journalists’ and the public get bored.

          • elix says:

            Sadly, rocketpjs, the pessimist in me wants to agree with you completely.

            Liberals: Scandal erupts, do the right thing and call an inquiry, even though you know it’ll mean the defeat of your government either way.

            Conservatives: Bury the bodies, slander the journalists, block inquiries, prorogue parliament if necessary.

            I am not advocating violence in any way, and I wish no harm to any Canadian citizen (and basically anyone in the world), but I would not shed many tears if the Conservative bench accidentally got hit by a powersliding bus. 

  14. Spezz says:

    I dont understand this. The police could easily ask ED for the ip of the proxy, and from there they have a lead. Why would collecting all the information on everyone make this any easier? Wouldn’t it actually make it harder?

  15. foobar says:

    This is why it’s important to make it technically impossible for them to get this sort of information. Fighting the laws are well and good, but some will always slip through.

  16. elix says:

    Dear Mr. Towes,

    Would your internet spying bill catch my neighbour who keeps stealing rhubarb out of my back yard’s rhubarb patch?

    Would your internet spying bill catch the thief who stole my bike?

    Would your internet spying bill catch the thief who climbed into my bedroom window one day (after I foolishly left it unsecured) and stole a laptop off my desk before letting himself out my back door while nobody was home?

    No? Well, explain how your internet spying bill would be better than proper police work here if it wouldn’t do better with other problems.

    (My neighbour actually obtained my consent before harvesting some rhubarb, and that laptop was the oldest, creakiest, barely-runs-Windows-95 hunk of historical curiosity in town, so the joke’s on that guy. Ignored a bunch of much more valuable stuff for the thing that looked most portable and easy to fence.)

  17. theCanuck says:

    This just in…Honourable Minister of Parliament Vic Toews has shit for brains, believes other Canadians do as well.  Sorry, had to vent my outrage at such egregious ignorance demonstrated by  a representative of the Canadian public.  Perhaps if he was less enthralled with the use of rhetoric to influence the acceptance of his Party’s ludicrous legislation and more capable of engaging in critical thinking, Mr. Toews would receive more respect on these internets.

    • elix says:

      This just in, apparently Vic’s spying bill would have worked to catch him in Germany.

      Explain that one to us, Mr. Towes.

  18. robdobbs says:

    And it turns out that they didn’t need those rules – they caught him.

    • jmv says:

      Further irony of the situation – it was Kadir Anlayisli, an Internet cafe employee who recognized the suspect and flagged down the police on the street.

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