Boing Boing editor/partner and tech culture journalist Xeni Jardin hosts and produces Boing Boing's in-flight TV channel on Virgin America airlines (#10 on the dial), and writes about living with breast cancer. Diagnosed in 2011. @xeni on Twitter. email: xeni@boingboing.net.

144 Responses to “Internet crackpots believe Newtown massacre was staged, citing "absolute" Photoshop proof”

  1. Jake0748 says:

    Why don’t these kind of people get jobs?

  2. unit1421 says:

    I don’t know whether to be happy or supremely pissed off that you even bothered to post this. I think I’m leaning towards pissed off. STOP GIVING THESE PEOPLE ATTENTION.

  3. exile says:

    Sad, sad, lonely, bitter people.

  4. technogeekagain says:

    Pick an idiocy.
    It exists on the Internet.
    What’s new?

  5. Robert Oliver says:

    If you want to waste (literally) hours debating these freaks, get on the YouTube comments and attempt to get them to make a “rational” argument for their conclusions.  Things like the scientific method, facts, and reality are not their friend and you soon find out they wasted your time. It’s absolutely futile….I really do think the CIA/FBI need to keep these freaks on a short leash…they are like the “cancer” of the internet. Their tumors keep spreading and spreading until too many people believe their nonsense to try to make them think critically about their conclusions.

    • Just_Ok says:

      It’s a proven fact that Obama created these conspiracy theories.

    • Sadlycynical says:

      Do you really believe that “too many people believe their nonsense…”? 

      If that’s the case, we’re all doomed. (If we all already knew this, then my apologies for just now getting the memo – I’m still on dial-up)

      • HonorableBenKatz says:

         Don’t read too much into the post…He’s not saying that a MAJORITY of people on the internet will believe these theories….As for the rest of your reply; I have not a fucking clue as to what you’re talking about….

    • universityhi says:

       Professor James F. Tracy is a media critic and teaches media criticism with an emphasis on the relationship between the media and public opinion.  He found differences between alternative media sources and main stream (corporate) media and went on to explore them.  God forbid that such a person would dare to use any critical thinking!

  6. Meh. There are also people who believe 9/11 was fake and that chemtrails are real. 

    • There are even groups of crazy people that believe that the Vietnam war was started after the NSA faked attacks by Vietnamese torpedo boats against US Navy ships in the Gulf of Tonkin in order to justify intervention, and that they kept the information secret for over 40 years. Oh, wait….

      • Joshua Zelinsky says:

        Um, did you read the article you linked to? The first incident occurred just as reported. What happened with the second is more complicate. The NSA didn’t fake the second incident. The second incident was primarily a set of misinterpretations in a stressful situation. What did happen is that after it was clear to some parts of the government that it had been a mistake and that there hadn’t been an attack, they didn’t go public with that. Not at all good behavior but hardly the same as the NSA deliberately faking an attack. 

        • I don’t think you read it. No, it didn’t happen as reported. It has been claimed for 40 years that we were attacked. That never happened.

          > At 1505G, Captain Herrick ordered Ogier’s gun crews to open fire if the boats approached within ten thousand yards. At about 1505G, the Maddox fired three rounds to warn off the communist boats. This initial action was never reported by the Johnson administration, which insisted that the Vietnamese boats fired first.

          What else do you call that? Especially since we were in their recognized (3 miles inside it, to be exact) territorial borders.

          EDIT: Also from same article:

          > The Hanyok article stated that intelligence information was presented to the Johnson administration “in such a manner as to preclude responsible decision makers in the Johnson administration from having the complete and objective narrative of events.” Instead, “only information that supported the claim that the communists had attacked the two destroyers was given to Johnson administration officials.”

          • Joshua Zelinsky says:

            Which is again the same sort of problem, they gave a bad summary to the President. Essentially they didn’t say how complicated the data was. Then when they realized they had screwed up, they didn’t tell people. That’s not the same as “faking attacks”. 

          • They didn’t give “a bad summary” to the President. They lied to the President. The report showed that they did it on purpose to justify war. There’s an entire section in the WP article talking about this, with numerous sources. They screwed up with the data from the second “attack”. But they fabricated a narrative on purpose with the first.

          • wysinwyg says:

             Dr P Fenderson:

            You’re trying to make it seem like a big crazy conspiracy while Joshua is correctly pointing out there is a much more mundane and plausible explanation.

            “Bad summary” vs. “lied” is just nitpicking.  “Bad summary” in this context clearly means “incorrect summary,” i.e. a lie.

          • miasm says:

            Dude, you just don’t get it.
            Criminal conspiracies NEVER happen and certainly no criminals exist in public office conspiring to commit crimes.
            If you start from that perfectly reasonable assumption, all the other nagging evidence just slips right into place.
            It’s a just, just world after all.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis
            You nut!

  7. Are they trying to convince us, or themselves?

    • Wreckrob8 says:

      Where does conviction come into it? Faith (in the efficacy of their particular formula) is what creates conspiracy theorists and their victims. That is the source of their power. 

      • Is it faith? I suppose that it is.

        It’s easy to get caught on the wrong side of a conspiracy theory – especially when it involves the government. You’re either believing their side of a story, or not – and lets face it, governments can be untrustworthy, unscrupulous, and as history highlights, evil.

        I’m not giving any credit to this particular conspiracy theory of course, it’s borderline mentally ill – but if it’s faith in the conspiracy, then surely the counter is a faith in the government?

        This is of course only applicable when there isn’t evidence involved. Conspiracy folk refusing to accept evidence isn’t the same as not having evidence either…

        • Wreckrob8 says:

          Faith in conspiracies is faith in unseen forces controlling people’s destiny (for good or evil) which only the ‘enlightened’ (the conspirators and theorists) have knowledge of. Mental illness and enlightenment can be one and the same thing.
          Faith in government is faith in people who have access to real facts and information being able to make judgements and act in ways which, it is to be hoped, minimise errors and balance opposing but definable forces (economic, political, social, etc.).

          • That’s a very odd definition in my book. Conspiracists, as far as I’m aware, don’t always require unseen forces – on the most part they just believe a different account of events.

            Half the time it’s he said/she said – and it’s worth pointing out that conspiracy theorists have actually been right before. From Wikipedia: “Some historians have put forward the idea that more recently the United States has become the home of conspiracy theories because so many high-level prominent conspiracies have been undertaken and uncovered since the 1960s”.

            The government does bad shit all the time – believing them every time they say they didn’t do anything wrong probably requires more faith than the average conspiracy nut.

          • Wreckrob8 says:

            Yes.

            I think that the different account of events that conspiracy theorists are really looking for is psychological. However deep they dig there is always something more to be discovered, something unseen controlling events. What connects all conspiracies? They must all be connected, mustn’t they?

            There are people who do bad things in government, the City, the Church, etc. and who try to manipulate events for their personal gain to an unacceptable degree.

            Scepticism is necessary for true faith in any organisation or institution.

          • I see what you’re saying, and agree.

            That’s bonafide conspiracy theorists though, rather than casual skeptics questioning the official line – you get different flavours! But ye, when you start doubting the truth of every event linked with the government, that’s an issue.

          • Although maybe that’s more an issue of trust than faith…

          • Wreckrob8 says:

            Yeah. It is the difference between religious and scientific methodologies with a tendency to move in one direction or the other.

  8. Chuck says:

    “In the years before the shooting, children at Sandy Hook Elementary had a unique, but strange privilege available to them.  Children who’d made it known that they had ‘imaginary friends’ would have their ‘friends’ recognized as real students by the teachers and administration at the school.  These imaginary friends were often listed regularly in the attendance and grade books, and even given empty desks next to the children imagining them as a comfort.  These practices became so entrenched at the school, that the written records of the student body as a whole made it very difficult for outsiders to distinguish between real children and imaginary ones without matching individual student records with real faces one by one.  …”

  9. SomeGuyNamedMark says:

    Decades of crime stats have also been faked

  10. Knarf Black says:

    I don’t understand how these people reconcile the belief that the government is capable of these monumental coverups with the fact that their “proof” involves the president being photographed with one of the fake victims, which is a totally reasonable thing to do with someone whose death you just faked.

  11. As crazy as these conspiracy theories may seem, I always love balancing them out with this comprehensive list of actual conspiracies that was compiled by some fine people over at Reddit. Especially since you get the “deniers” – people that think that something like this is just too impossible to happen, even though it happens pretty much all the time…and nearly always gets undone by a simple clerical error or slipup.

    EDIT: Since people are missing the last sentence in the first paragraph of this post…let me clarify further. This is not posted to support, in any way, the Newtown conspiracy theory being ridiculed on this page. It is in response to the many people here in the comments talking as if conspiracies don’t happen. That a government would never do anything so atrocious to its people. Guess what?

    This is an outstanding list of well-documented, proven conspiracies from the last 60 or so years, many within the last 20.

    ===== ===== ===== ===== =====
    Operation Northwoods? | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

    The Informant named “Curveball” who lied about WMDs in Iraq?| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_(informant)

    Testimony of Nayirah? | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

    Operation Mockingbird | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

    The Special Collection Service| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Special_Collections_Service

    Project MKULTRA | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

    Operation Paperclip | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

    Downing Street Memo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo

    Room 641A | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

    Gulf of Tonkin Incident | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

    COINTELPRO | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

    Project MKDELTA | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKDELTA

    Rex 84 Plan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

    Project Artichoke | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_ARTICHOKE

    Project MKOFTEN | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKOFTEN

    Operation Dormouse | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dormouse

    Operation Ajax | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d’%C3%A9tat

    The Plot to kill FDR…by BANKERS| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

    CIA Front Companies| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Executive_Transport_Services

    Stuxnet | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

    Project Merrimac | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MERRIMAC

    Project Resistence | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_RESISTANCE

    The Rendon Group that exports PR and Propaganda| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendon_Group

    Operation Chaos | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS

    Project SHAMROCK | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SHAMROCK

    The FISA Court (secret)| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court

    Russell Welch who tried to expose drug ops at Mena, AK…also poisoned with Anthrax | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Welch

    Gerry Droller | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Droller

    The School of the Americas| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Institute_for_Security_Cooperation

    Journalist/Reporter Gary Webb | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb

    Operation Charly | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Charly

    Operation 40 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_40

    Operation Midnight Climax| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Midnight_Climax

    Operation Washtub | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_WASHTUB

    Acoustic Kitty | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_Kitty

    Amalgam Virgo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argo_16

    Project FUBELT | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_FUBELT

    Stargate Project | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project

    Tepper Aviation | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tepper_Aviation

    The Church Committee | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee

    Family Jewels| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_jewels_(Central_Intelligence_Agency)

    The Pentagon Papers | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers

    Operation Gladio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio_in_Italy

    Now consider this and put this in context. Most of these are incidents that happened 30 years ago. Few of what I’ve mentioned was with in the last 10 or so years.

    Imagine what WILL be uncovered. Imagine the lengths they’re going through to prevent revealing anything. This is the information they’re LETTING you have.Imagine all the stuff you have NO CLUE about. And don’t think that since this stuff is exposed that they just…gave it up. The NSA employs more people than the FBI and CIA…combined. I’m not telling you to start making this stuff up…but lets be real, there is a LOT of stuff going on and them making this available to us is just a way for even the few people that know about it to be distracted.I don’t think there is an “illuminati”. I don’t think there is a secret society in charge of all this. I just know that there are people with power, people with money, and people with neither.

    If you’re not in the first two, then you’re in the third one and you’re getting screwed.

    • elix says:

      I can’t wait to see what Antinous has to say to you.

      • I love Antinous! <3 Not trolling, just presenting an alternative to the constantly regurgitated "CONSPIRACIES AREN'T REAL" mantra that crops up here from time to time. The "crackpot" theory presented is pretty weak, but to swing to the extreme opposite end of "they're all fake" is just silly.

        Also, all links are to non-commercial, non-personal sites (Wikipedia, the whole lot). If I'm breaking the rules, I'd love to know which ones so I can prevent this in the future. I've been commenting and submitting here successfully for 6+ years without a single edit or delete. :)

        Or perhaps you just meant Antinous' clever comebacks. Always look forward to their humor to lighten the mood.

        • elix says:

          Less “Oh, you’re gonna get banned, boy” and more the latter. I have not hit the ‘flag’ button, for the record.

          • Oh man…if I had a nickle for every time I was burned by Antinous, I might be able to buy them a coffee for making me laugh so hard over the years. And thanks for not flagging me, fellow mutant. I wish they were specific about the types of flags you could do though. I’d love to get flagged for candy at some point.

          • elix says:

            My own personal feelings on the situation are that it might be in slightly bad taste to take a post about crackpot conspiract theories on a horrific tragedy (Newton), and go, you know what this comment section needs? A reminder that sometimes, the theories are true! And maybe I’ll even trawl up a list of Wikipedia articles to go with it to show that I really felt strongly about this!

            Now, that’s complete projection, and I would certainly not mean to put those motives in your mouth. I also don’t feel so strongly about it to hit the flag button to send up the batsignal and call over moderator attention immediately lest this be too insensitive for other people reading the post — let’s be reasonable, here. My first paragraph contains just a little bit of snark and overdramatization.

            But, it still left just enough of a bad taste in my mouth that I thought I’d throw in an “inb4 Antinous” comment, without resorting to 4chan slang, just so I could swing back in for a moment of schadenfreude (of the I-told-you-so variety) once BB’s gentleman’s gentleman had been by. You certainly seem like a personable and well-rounded mutant in general, so don’t think that you’ve soured impressions entirely.

            I’d like to be able to flag people for the act of Posting While Awesome! (PWA!), but I guess that’s what the “Like” function is for.

          • I totally understand. It was not meant to be in bad taste, and I would have posted the list regardless of the “crackpot theory” being put forward. It has nothing to do with the Newtown massacre, and everything to do with responding to other users in the comments who have already jumped on the “all conspiracies are bunk” train. I tried to clarify this in the first paragraph of my post. I have also tried to make it clear that I feel that this theory is rather radical, and easily destroyed using even the most cursory delving into evidence.

            Again – a comment posted to respond to conspiracy theory deniers, and not really to say anything at all about this particular theory, which I reserved for other comments. But I do think it very important to constantly be reminded of what RAW had to say: that the history of the world is a history of conspiracies.

            Is there perhaps a better way to reword my introduction to get this point across?

          • elix says:

            You clearly feel that there is value in having this discussion, and I find no justifiable, sane reason to censor you. I feel that having the discussion at all in this context is in slightly bad taste, but these are my subjective feelings and I am opposed to censorship (I have limits; hate speech, etc., but this is far from those limits). You have not gone out of your way to be malicious or distasteful, and I believe that you are acting in good faith.

            My only intended contribution to this really was to put my quarter on the arcade cabinet for a round of Schadenfreude Fighter II; everything onwards has been explaining and justifying myself and trying to correct any misconceptions. It’s not that big of a deal, ultimately, and I’m not trying to blow this out of proportion and make it a bigger deal than it needs to be.

            I believe that you are acting in good faith, and I would not presume to impose moderation on a reasonable discussion, even if I feel that it is not of the best of taste for the topic. Period. I don’t feel that I am speaking for any sort of consensus (nobody else is jumping down your throat for alleged insensitivity), and my opinion should not be given any more weight than what it is: the opinion of one single occasional commenter who’s been in and out of the BB comments for ~4-5 years. I’m not Xeni giving you shit, here. :D

    • LinkMan says:

      I’m not familiar with many of the items on the list.  But of the ones I am familiar with, some are covert military operations with an aspect of subterfuge.  Others are examples of groupthink run amok.  Many involve a coverup (or failure to correct a misinterpretation) after the fact.  But there’s nothing remotely approaching the kind of massive, premeditated attempt to fool the world that is claimed here. 

      • I don’t know how you define “attempt to fool the world”, but I would say that almost every conspiracy is something along those lines. None of these were to fool a small group of individuals, and many of them (like COINTELPRO), were specifically used to “fool the world”. And what was being considered in the original post is really not “massive”. Gladio was massive. Nayirah got nearly as much press attention when she first testified as well.

        • chris jimson says:

          There are a lot of things on your list that really don’t apply, and the ones that do perhaps apply are very different to what this supposed conspiracy seems to entail.   For example, the “Testimony of Nayirah” was simple– just one person lying to the public (that kind of thing has been with us forever)– whereas this supposed Newtown conspiracy is more along the lines of Moon-Landing-Hoax, with a whole slew of actors and government officials working in cooperation.  The larger the hoax the harder it is to plug all the holes and leaks.  Have neighbors come forward to say “we don’t know these people, we never saw them at PTA meetings”?  Or does the conspiracy go back many years, with 6 teachers and 20 sets of parents inserted into a small town so they could fake some deaths years later?  If you’re going to go that far you may as well *actually kill* a bunch of innocent children with a CIA-created suicidal nut job, then you don’t have to hire actors who might flub a line or spill the beans, or deal with finding John Doe corpses to put in all those caskets.  And really– if you’re part of some super-secret organization trying to control the world (be it CIA or Illuminati) why do you care whether you kill a bunch of kids or not to get your way?  Am I supposed to believe they are craven enough to be puppet-masters to the world, but killing 20 children is something they can’t bring themselves to do?

          That said, I enjoyed reading the list, and I doubt you are defending this ridiculous Newtown conspiracy, but I also don’t think the list is necessarily relevant to it.

          • > I doubt you are defending this ridiculous Newtown conspiracy, but I also don’t think the list is necessarily relevant to it.

            Bazinga to the first part. Got that right. Not supporting the Newtown conspiracy at all. It’s actually to discredit the “conspiracy deniers” as I point out in the very first paragraph of my post. I just get sick of hearing people use it as an umbrella for “goblins, gunks, and other fake things that go bump in the night”. Conspiracies do happen. But you’re already aware of that – so “Like” to you, fellow mutant!

          • wysinwyg says:

             Chris points out that most of what you’re calling “conspiracies” aren’t really conspiracies.  That’s what’s really irritating me about your argument.  Obviously conspiracies do happen but I feel you’re exaggerating their ubiquity which I don’t think is a responsible or tasteful thing to do in context.

    • SuperMatt says:

      Just because people have perpetrated hoaxes doesn’t mean that we assume everything in the news is a hoax unless proven otherwise.  That’s like saying that since some people have natural red hair, we should assume everybody has natural red hair unless they prove otherwise.

      • But, of course. You missed reading the first paragraph methinks, so I added an edited addendum just for you! :D

        • SuperMatt says:

          No, I didn’t miss anything.  I didn’t accuse you of denying the Newtown massacre.  I just think your “imagine what WILL be uncovered” paragraph is clearly intended to convince us that we should be on the lookout for the thousands of conspiracies that are happening all the time.  I heartily disagree that there is a conspiracy hiding under every rock.

          • It is not “my” list, which is explained in the very first sentence. If you don’t really feel it important enough to read even the first few sentences, including some text I constructed personally just for you, then I’m not sure why you feel the need to reply to it – or have me respond to you in turn. I believe that there just might be a conspiracy hiding under every rock, and I again refer to Robert Anton Wilson’s statement that  the history of the world is a history of conspiracies.

          • SuperMatt says:

            Just a tip for future discussions – insulting my reading comprehension abilities is not a good way to convince me of anything.  Believe it or not, somebody can read and understand what you wrote, and still disagree with you.  It happens all the time.

            By the way, I never called the list “yours” at all.  But I assume you wrote the paragraphs below the list.  Those are what I disagree with, as I said before.

    • Petzl says:

      So, your argument is that because our government has lied to us and been nefarious in the past, a Sandy Hook conspiracy is plausible? Pathetic. A magnificent hallmark of this “conspiracy” theory is: it doesn’t even map out what is being hidden from us. There is some sort of photographic inconsistency (assuming it wasn’t manufactured by the youtuber). Is the claim that: the massacre didn’t happen? the government engineered it? the government covered it up? What??

      And, you know, your list really would be better served by being MUCH SHORTER. A longer list (plumped up with various non-conspiracies, eg, Stargate) does not help your cause. Here are 6 government initiatives that show how we should be wary of our government: Curveball, FISA, the CIA’s LSD experiments, the FBI’s tapping MLK’s bedroom, Gulf of Tonkin.

      • You missed reading the very first paragraph of my post. “Pathetic.” This was not posted in response to the silly Newtown conspiracy, but to the people saying that conspiracies don’t happen. Also, Stargate (and the other similar conspiracies listed) was a conspiracy because it was planned in secret, denied by officials, and was operating at the fringe of what we consider “lawful”. That is the very definition of a conspiracy.

        • Petzl says:

          I did misunderstand your post. And my apologies.

          My original point was you make would be stronger argument with a shorter list, with particular emphasis on recent history (Iraq, Nayirah, FISA); otherwise, it has the style, if not substance, of an Alex Jones-type rant.

        • wysinwyg says:

          Petzl is absolutely right that your argument would be better served by a shorter list containing only the most salient examples of conspiracies you brought in.  When I saw the long list and a few items that I didn’t think should qualify I basically stopped reading and wrote you off as a crackpot.  Huge long lists of conspiracies are usually the province of crackpots.

          Shorter list really is good advice. You’re undermining your own argument here by making yourself look less-than-credible.

          • That’s ok! I don’t really feel that there’s any validity in your judgments on the seriousness of these acts based on such arbitrary measurements as “list size”. The list above is not mine, as I already explain in the post itself, and I did pare it to the most salient points. The original was much longer, and had more text at the end. If you cannot accept it without immediately shutting it away in your mind as “crackpot”, then you are clearly not the audience it is trying to reach to. :)

            EDIT: Also, in response to your post above this about the definitions: nearly every single thing on that list was planned in secret, denied by officials, and was operating at the fringe of what we consider “lawful”. That is the very definition of a conspiracy.

  12. Fantome_NR says:

    “By way of credentials, creator Jay Johnson explains: ‘I am the only person in the world to solve LOST,’ he writes (yes, the TV show).”

    now THIS sounds like something I’d like to hear…

  13. Churba S says:

    Ah, conspiracy theories. The belief that an organization can be so clever that they can fake an event so well that the entire world believes it, yet is so incompetent that the entire deception can be broken wide open by some guy spending an afternoon on investigatory techniques so simple and contrived that it makes the Secret Seven look like the CIA.

    • Except that it happens all the time? See my above list.

      • mccrum says:

        Most of the items on your list were broken either by investigative reporters working hard on it, someone disgruntled on the interior, investigation by Congress, or declassification over time.  Not some guy on his couch a month after the incident.  Posting up a list of Wikipedia articles isn’t exactly ironclad proof either.

        • Or administrative error. Or FOIA request by these “couch sitters” (ie. Independent investigators). No matter how you skew it, it’s just another tactic for minimizing the weight of the words that one uses, similar in vein to calling them “crackpots”. Instead of leaning so heavily on ad hominem statements, we could clearly just point to the overwhelming evidence that it really did happen.

          And the cool thing about Wikipedia is that most articles provide a sizable list of source material to work off of, rather than relying on the article itself as evidence. Think of a Wikipedia article as a gateway to further information rather than an “end-all”. Or a court brief versus the evidence actually submitted to the court.

        • elix says:

          I will give Fendie one thing: Linking to Wikipedia articles when dealing with a contentious and tinfoil-hat-prone topic such as conspiracy theories is superior to linking to whale.to (note: do not believe anything you read behind that link, including the copyright notice) or other such green ink sites because there’s at least some conceptual shred of textual integrity hanging in the window, in theory, with a Wikipedia article.

          But, yes, if things are being covered up that well, why are the only people discovering “the truth” people with no lives on the Internet? If X-political-enemy-nation’s entire intelligence force couldn’t uncover the plot, how did Bob from Podunkville (pop. 1,400, 40% alcoholism rate) figure it out from the comfort of his mancave? Which one of these stands up to application of the Null Hypothesis the most?

          • ocker3 says:

             I think a distinction should be drawn between random people without skills finding ‘pixels’ and people whose job it is (investigative reporters, investigation by another agency whose job it is to stop specific kinds of shenanigans,etc) to discover and expose hostile conspiracies. All of those dangerous and deplorable medical experiments carried out by the US Gov during the second world war on Black men? Someone should have stopped that, but it was covered up. Not a good look, but really bad things have been done by other largely well-meaning governments. They are after all made up of people, who make mistakes, sometimes horrible ones.

          • elix says:

            I think there is certainly room for independent investigative work to expose corruption and cover-ups and miscellaneous human rights violations (the powers that be might disgree, since they’re, you know, cover-ups), and often this is initially going to come from unempowered actors (i.e., private citizens, investigative journalists, not government agencies) before it becomes the big story that exposes whatever’s being uncovered. Sometimes it actually is a large agency that finally wakes and starts poking sunlight into things. There’s certainly room for both.

            The importance is determining the difference between a sincere effort and the lunatic rantings of someone with possible undiagnosed mental conditions, or alternatively someone with nothing better to do than make up lies on the Internet (take your pick; I’m not hating on mental health issues, here). Credibility is important, but there also needs to be some journalistic effort put into reportage as well (and that’s just a general problem in the west, these days) so the chaff is properly filtered out.

      • Churba S says:

        Bollocks it does. Looking over that list, I’m seeing a lot of conspiracies that were either revealed by the government itself, broken by very experienced investigators(often investigative journalists) working very hard over long periods of time, or by congressional inquiry. Out of the list you posted, exactly none whatsoever were uncovered or broken open by conspiracy theorists.

        And there are more than a few in there which are not really conspiracies, and one of them was just a guy who alleges that the CIA is smuggling cocaine and was almost fired for incompetence – which he agreed with. In fact, out of the list of 43 you posted, 16 are not conspiracies.

        On top of that, the vast majority of them share one big thing in common – practically nobody in the general public suspected a damned thing about them, until they were revealed by other means. You didn’t have conspiracy theorists carrying on about MKULTRA before the general public knew it existed. You didn’t have Conspiracy theorists proving Operation Northwoods existed before the US government released the information – Hell, they didn’t even have the name of the operation, it was just the usual Conspiracy theorist squeals of “False Flag! False flag! Everything is a false flag!”

        Last of all – Despite the fact that we’ve got a short list of all the documented and proven conspiracy theories, that does not actually make any other conspiracy theory true. We have IRONCLAD proof of COINTELPRO’s existence, but that doesn’t mean that every baseless, evidence-free conspiracy theory that comes along is true. Each must be judged on it’s own merits, and so far, the vast, vast majority of conspiracy theories are just abject fucking nonsense. The fact that conspiracies do exist and some have been proven has absolutely zero bearing on the factual nature of practically every other conspiracy theory.

        • Fantastic rant, but I was referring to the odd notion that things can happen in secret and not be unveiled using simple investigatory techniques or muckups by the people carrying out the conspiracy successfully for years. Many of the ways that these conspiracies reached the public was due to a simple filing error that some schmuck caught, or a paper got FOIAed that shouldn’t have been released. And that we should not move the opposite end and say that “all conspiracies are crackpot theories, and should be ignored”. I would think that there is quite enough evidence to beg the “middle ground” argument here, which is all that I am doing – and what you seem to have missed in my second paragraph of the original post.

          Also, I’m not sure how you’re saying that the one item you list was not a conspiracy. First off, just because Russell was fired due to something unrelated to the CIA using Mena to smuggle cocaine into the country is completely irrelevant. If you read Whiteout: The CIA, Drugs, and the Press by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair, or Drug Crazy : How We Got into This Mess and How We Can Get Out by Mike Gray you will find more about the CIA using these airstrips to smuggle coke into the US, and more about the Russell Welch story. That is the conspiracy being linked to, as you can see from the sources in the WP article itself. Wikipedia is a gateway to more in-depth information, not an end-all. I suggest you use it as such.

          > You didn’t have Conspiracy theorists proving Operation Northwoods existed before the US government released the information

          No, but you did have them revealing the existence of Operation Granite Shadow before the government released information on it.

          Just because there are extremists who fall prey to the “chicken little” fallacy, this does not preclude the existence of these other conspiracies. Since you are unwilling to back down from hyperbole and extremes, I’m not sure what sort of response you’re looking for. You make quite the pack of unverifiable statements using loaded language (“practically every”, “every baseless, evidence-free”, “conspiracy theorist squeals”, etc), so I’m guessing that you’re not really the best audience for the list. You have already decided. Enjoy your day though, fellow mutant! :)

  14. Shane Lear says:

    If this wasn’t so serious, it would be laughable, but it really is more disrespectful than anything.  Maybe these people should peddle this b.s. to Glenn Beck.  He’d be all about it, I’m sure.

  15. mccrum says:

    If anyone needs me, I’ll be working on my small rocketship in the backyard in an attempt to get off this planet.

  16. bobrk says:

    Why give these people hits?

  17. Yavar says:

    I’m not a conspiracy guy or a troll, but can someone explain how that girl, who was counted among the deceased, (if that’s true) is still alive?

    • Fantome_NR says:

      It’s her sister.

      • mentalmidgets says:

        Highly unlikely. The parts of their hair are different.

        • Fantome_NR says:

          is this supposed to be a joke?

          • mentalmidgets says:

            No. Look again. 

          • Fantome_NR says:

            oh for crying out loud. do you have hair? did you know hair can be parted in any direction, using a comb?
            answer me this: if this is indeed the murdered girl, where is here sister? what is more likely? that they would just leave her at home? if they were part of some cover up, wouldn’t they just leave the girl who was supposed to be dead at home? this fails all tests of basic logic. you are a mental midget indeed. get a life.

    • wysinwyg says:

       Some people look like other people.  I am mistaken for other people on average probably once a week.

      It’s a conspiracy!

  18. voiceinthedistance says:

    Wow, that’s the first I’ve heard of the Sprinkler Rainbow Conspiracy.  That’s really a next level conspiracy, at least on par with the Sandy Hook truthers.  More easily investigated, too.

    The narrator is absolutely right:  ”We’ve GOT to ask ourselves, what the hell is oozing.”

  19. plyx says:

    What is that part of the video where the guy is laughing before crying about his kid being shot?

    •  I’m with you that’s very odd. I’m not into conspiracy theory usually. The immediate response would be people grieve differently and that guy needed a chuckle to help from collapsing. However, I started following the youtube trail, and there’s videos of the parents all crying w/ no tears. It’s really freaky.

      • Fantome_NR says:

        I have some very dear friends who just lost their young son in an unexpected and preventable accident. they too are capable of laughing one moment, and being devastated the next. often without visible tears. you have no idea what you’re talking about. when you’re in that kind of pain, whatever might be considered expected behavior does not apply. he didn’t stub his toe or lose the superbowl.

        •  You can’t echo my sentiments. Then say, I have no idea, what I’m talking about.

          I agree people have the capability to grieve in their own way. Yet they are reels and reels of interviews, 24, 48, 72 hrs after the incident and all these people don’t look emotionally exhausted, red eyed, or even remotely similar to how my aunt presented herself in the aftermath (a year+) of my cousin (17yrs old) dying, unexpectedly/avoidably. The day of the shooting, I was getting ready for work and was so emotionally disturbed, I never went in that day. I’m not denying the occurrence. I just find it exceedingly odd that, for example in 3 separate interviews, the family of Vicki Soto is smiling, and borderline jovial. Can a single person have that much faith/strength? Sure. The whole family though, it’s eery. The thought that this was staged never crossed my mind until Xeni posted this vid. It’s just really unsettling for all these folks to have the same circumspect – “I’ll remember the laughter, love, old soul that my child was” response.

          • SexBobOmb says:

             I know a deeply religious family that lost their young daughter to cancer.  It definitely broke their brains.  But because religion was their only refuge, they used it as a testimony to their faith.  They smiled as they spoke of her, even her final moments, and talked about how she was an angel and they’d see her in heaven.  I couldn’t wrap my brain around it.  Neither could they.  It is how they simply went on.  The only way they went on. 

            I recently went through the worst time of my life.  My children are alive, though.  But it tested my own will beyond measure.  My therapist, rather than religion, kept me upright through several visits per week.  He taught me how to shut it all off.  To get up in the morning, and pretend I was myself, by grooming, by trying to smile, so that if I could actually feel like myself, I’d recognize the person in the mirror.  I had to try to make new memories.  I had to live in the present…and I mean the very nano-second of my existence, to keep from utterly falling apart.  I had to compartmentalize.  It didn’t take me long to become an expert.  I would fall apart only in private or in the closest of company.  Otherwise, I was calm.

            So as it was delicately put to you by another poster:  You.  Don’t.  Know.  What.  You’re.  Talking.  About.

          •  So everybody has the identical response after the WORST school shooting in history. MAKES SENSE. I find it incredibly unsettling, for every single person to be introspective, 3 days after. It takes years to get over the loss of a child, not days, weeks or a month. Like I said earlier, I didn’t give it one thought prior to yesterday that it didn’t happen. And the reason, I’m feeling off about it, it not because of some kook’s creative editing. Simply watching these people’s reactions is unsettling. Spend 15 mins watching, and it puts a pit in your stomach. All of these folks have the same happy response? Nobody looks drained. Do you think you would be able to sleep if you lost your child?

            My cousin died in a very avoidable car accident at 17. I was 16 at the time and remember it well. My grandmother wailed for days. I’ll never forget the car ride to my Aun’ts house where we gathered that night, my father had a new Mark Anthony album playing and to this day if I hear any of the songs, it hearts my heart.  My GMa believes in a higher power more so than anybody I know, she had to see my cousin’s body to pray over her even though she was mangled. It just doesn’t make sense. These people are speaking about their children, like it’s 3 yrs later. It’s just odd.

          • Fantome_NR says:

            as I said, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

    • Mister44 says:

       I don’t find it too odd. My dad was in great spirits at his moms funeral until he  had to give the eulogy. There is a level of denial I am sure – and then you are forced to confront it your demeanor is going to change.

      •  I don’t know if your father eulogizing his mother is an apt comparison. I of course don’t know the age/circumstances of your grandma, but we expect to bury our parents. I’ve witnessed plenty of people be able to handle a timely passing without a lot of emotion. The devastation a family would feel losing a 6 yr old, is unimaginable. I for one don’t think I could even utter words, let alone grandstand in front of cameras.

        I’m not one for conspiracies. I don’t believe in chemtrails. I’m fairly certain we landed on the moon. I’ve gone to Kennedy Space center and watched the shuttle take off and go somewhere. There’s just a lot of weirdness, now that I’ve spent the last 2 hrs watching these kooky videos. Like the medical examiner for example, why would he do the press conference in his lab jacket,  that struck me then, and it has again now that I’m watching all this.

        I still don’t want to believe that 27 people large and small lost their lives in such a horrific manner, conversely, I don’t want to think they did, if they did not. It’s all terrifying, in any direction you look at it.

        • SexBobOmb says:

          Luckily for those of us commenting, we didn’t lose our six year old.  We weren’t in shock, and we didn’t have cameras following us everywhere.  We weren’t the coroner who had to deal with the bodies, either.  We can sit in relative comfort, posting on the internet, making judgments, while our loved ones are still breathing.

          • plyx says:

            If you listen closely you will hear the man being told to just read the TelePrompTer and repeat the direction back before going into his tearful dialogue.

  20. 10xor01 says:

    Won’t somebody please think of the NRA operatives?

  21. chris jimson says:

    Seems to me that because this conspiracy claims the shooting was a hoax, then naturally they can go dig up the graves and find they are empty.

  22. Mister44 says:

    I have to laugh at large government conspiracies. This is the same inept gov. that couldn’t keep a BJ quiet – yet they have some orchestrated a mass murder to… what? Crack down on Assault Weapons? Scare the populace into armed schools? I have no idea what they think the motive would be. Fucking nutter butters.

  23. rattypilgrim says:

    Zombies won’t be staggering down our streets, dripping of blood, and chasing any healthy, warm blooded human. They’re already here. They have been brain washed into a fear based hysteria by the likes of Right Wing propaganda machines (FOX, Beck, Limbaugh, Savage, etc, etc) and they have computers and internet connections. This type of zombie is not impervious to pain but to logic and simple decency.

    There is no way to reach any thoughtful, self questioning part of their intelligence. They are an army of zombies and are actively trashing/destroying what’s left of our society and civilization.

  24. Tay Boy says:

    As a gun owner I feel compelled to mention that Alex Jones and these asshats do not represent me or anyone I know.

  25. Petzl says:

    This resembles the moon landing hoaxes.  Something is presented that is apparently inconsistent. And the conspiracy-mongers jump from inconsistency to CONSPIRACY. Clearly the result of the critical reasoning skills one derives from doomsday preppers’ home schooling programs.

    Do other countries have people as stupid as this?  Or is this more of America’s exceptionalism?

  26. Mitchell Glaser says:

    Speaking of hoaxes, I once read that the Russians used to show their citizens movies of the Three Stooges and say “That’s what Americans are like.” Anybody ever hear that one?

  27. zotlerg says:

    Some people will do anything to be famous. Some try a little too hard.
    Stupid humans.

  28. raytube says:

    Go visit http://godlikeproductions.com .   Get yourself a headfull of Misinfo, Disinfo, some facts, alot of speculation, alot of crazy, alot of shills and trolls.  That’s where alot of these ideas originate.  It’s been thought that GLP is actually a long arm of Tavistock, doing social thought manipulation experiments.  Don’t believe anything you read or see there, even if it may be true.

  29. miasm says:

    As I see it, the problem with the way that ‘conscientious adults who are taking an upstanding role in society’ react to conspiracies mirrors closely the way that those some magnanimous sceptics used to react to drugs.

    You should be able to point out that, yes methamphetimine is really fucking bad for you – don’t take it you dumb shit, whilst also keeping an open mind about the medical effectiveness of CBD’s in certain strains of cannabis (and, hell, ecstasy and ketamine for severe depression etc).
    Just tarring the whole world of drugs with the same ‘dumb-shit’ brush inclines people who then go on to have a really good drugs-experience to completely disregard your very appropriate advice to stay away from the bad stuff.

    We should be able to laugh off the bollocks whilst retaining an open mind about the clear danger of cabals of criminally conspiring, public officials.
    After all, treating all reports of criminal conspiracy as if they are nothing but flights of fancy engenders an atmosphere conducive to the perpetuation of the de-facto acceptance of laughably weak defences to obvious crimes with nothing but the most bare-faced lying and obfuscation, apparent to anyone watching any politician do anything.

    But, you get to feel like a totally conscientious, sceptical adult, taking a responsible role in the dialogue of society, whilst child-like idiots froth around your ankles, blabbering nonsense about the bogeyman.

    I mean, they cant even get governing right, what chance do they have of getting away with a crime?

  30. flickerKuu says:

    I don’t like how the father in the video goes from joking and smiling to instantly sad. He’s a real good actor. What else is make believe here?

  31. boingerbro says:

    I agree with most of you that to deny the shooting is in extreme bad taste but can someone speak to the strange video of the father Robbie Parker who laughs saying “Are we ready to start” and then hyper-ventilates before talking as an actor would preparing for a scene? Again, I am seriously not trying to talk conspiracy here but if it was my kid, I would not be so composed or light-hearted before the cameras roles. He doesn’t look emotionally wrecked before the scene starts. We all handle tragedy in different ways but this is more than a bit strange and seems to strike a false chord. Thoughts?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKWgCRBR5qE

    • boingerbro says:

       My best guess is that it was a prepared statement and nothing more so that in a way, it was “performed” and thus felt a little off. Of course, like anyone appearing before the national media, one would want to prepare a statement when addressing the country.

  32. liquidself says:

    Just want to point out that the Aurora/Dark Knight musings were originally just pop cultural/ mass killings synchronicity type speculations  that were separate from the Libor stuff originally, they ve been dragged in by the negative vortex of right wing conspiracy shills.  The libor type stuff is actually a good sign, meaning that the republican conscience is so abused by this point by the obvious that elaborate delusions are necessary now.

  33. Ito Kagehisa says:

    I got one here at work with me.  He’s sending me all kinds of the crazy in emails.  Did you know Dan Quayle is a front for George Soros?  I was certainly surprised.

    As long as we pretend these killings aren’t about people seeking word-fame, and continue to grant their wish for headlines, crazy people will continue to look for soft targets.  You can take all the guns away and lock all the doors but they will continue.

  34. plyx says:

    I did some research on Robert Parker and I believe I understand better his behavior on camera. Apparently he and his family are quite devout Mormons and his actions and words are common to the teachings of their faith. I must admit I’m a bit ashamed of myself for questioning him in the first place and I sincerely hope they find peace as soon as can be hoped for. I spent a lot of time feeling distraught and generally awful when this tragedy first occurred and I’ve surmised that sometimes people might see a ‘conspiracy’ because they want so badly to believe something this terrible couldn’t possibly be true.

    • Rick Adams says:

       Nah, it has way more to do with people wanting to feel smarter/superior than others. People who are so far removed can’t grasp the magnitude of something like this clearly enough for their brain to start masking it out. That guy in the video, that’s what HIS brain was doing, not the brain of some dumbass who tries to understand something like this over the internet.

  35. ChickieD says:

    There was a tea party idea that when Mitt Romney won there was going to be a race war. The inner city blacks were expected to riot after Obama lost the election. After Mitt lost, the people who were preparing for this certain eventuality became very bitter and angry because they really thought that was going to happen. They were sure that then the country was going to see once and for all the damage Obama had done to it and see what they have known all along, that he is evil. Since Obama won the election, the tea party/right-wingers have been preparing for all of our freedoms to be taken away, specifically the 2nd Amendment rights. Since the election, gun and bullet sales have been off the charts because people are stockpiling – especially armor piecing ammo and assault weapon ammo. When the Newtown shooting happened, with the outcry for gun control legislation following it, there was a sense of inevitability to this faction. I have not so much heard the “truther” version of the Newtown shooting, but have heard another history of this that it was all a set up by the Obama administration to force gun control legislation.

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