In a wide-ranging interview, Edward Snowden offers surveillance advice to Trump

The latest Intercepted podcast episode (MP3) was recorded live on stage at SXSW, where host Jeremy Scahill from The Intercept interviewed Edward Snowden by video link.

It's a wide-ranging discussion, but the sharpest, most pointed segment comes close to the beginning, where the whistleblower discusses specific American surveillance capabilities and chains of command, and explains to Donald Trump what, exactly, he should do if he thinks that Obama used a "wire tapp" against him.

"All governments lie," NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden said in an exclusive interview with Intercepted. "All governments break the law. And most frequently, this happens without us realizing it." This week, Intercepted broadcasts from the SXSW Festival in Austin, Texas. Snowden joined us via video feed from Moscow, Russia. He discusses Trump's allegations that Barack Obama tapped Trump tower and analyzes some of the CIA's hacking capabilities. Snowden also offers his analysis of the "deep state" and blasts critics who accuse him of being a Russian agent. We interview the Libyan-American hip hop artist Kayem (formerly known as Khaled M) about his regular detention at US airports, visits from the FBI and an incident where a police officer asked him to describe the contents of a Koran in the glove compartment of his car. Kayem, who has kept a low profile the past several years is back on the road performing new music. He shares some verses with Intercepted.