"All y'all dumb motherf***ers don't even know my opinion on shit."

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  1. user23 says:

    Remember, remember the fifth of November
    The gunpowder, treason and plot.
    I know of no reason, why the
    Gunpowder treason should ever be forgot.

    America is clearly in her dying days. It’s not just this event. It’s 10,000 others precisely like it.

    Robert Anson Heinlein is rolling in his grave. But, but…he wouldn’t be surprised, he wasn’t surprised. He foresaw all of this..and all the more yet to come.

    Brand America is tired, left mouldering on a shelf in a store no remembers how to get to.

    in before Americlowns tear up my words or others like them as treacherous, idiotic, stupid, etc.

    • WiredEarp says:

      I love that quote User23. Its funny, im sure they came up with that rhyme to denigrate Guy Fawkes, but personally, I like to turn it around into a rebel rhyme.

      Never gonna forget ya Guy, good try mate!

  2. rsplatpc says:

    At least the ignorant morons in the American crowd didn’t stone the man to death, or just shoot him on the street like a dog, or beat him because he was Turkish after a alcohol fueled loss of their favorite football team

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      He has to remain alive so that they can go on Oprah together, or perhaps to a beer summit at the White House.

  3. Anonymous says:

    For the record: It isn’t a mosque, it’s a community centre. It’s not at ground zero, though it is in midtown. The Imam behind it is quite liberal, he was even a guest on the Glenn Beck’s show a couple of years back where he called him “a good muslim”. Being Canadian, we certainly have problems with discrimination, but the U.S. is just mystifying. Americans seem so much like us, until I read yet another poll surveying popular opinions down there and am reminded “oh yeah, I forgot about that”. 20 percent believe obama is a muslim. 40 percent are confident that evolution is a reality. guh…

    • Anonymous says:

      The Imam behind it is quite liberal, he was even a guest on the Glenn Beck’s show a couple of years back where he called him “a good muslim”.

      Ok, now I’m suspicious of the project.

  4. wrybread says:

    This is yet another reminder of how amazingly powerful Fox News is, and how good that station is at whipping people up into a furor.

    Until that station goes away, we’re all totally doomed.

  5. graphicsman says:

    I agree with the crowd – No Fox Cheer! or wait, No Ox Beer!.. uh, No more leer? ummm

  6. OP_TIMUS says:

    Steve Watson sums this up pretty well:

    “The mainstream media continues to push the mosque story hour after hour, day after day, from the perspective of both the left and the right, manufacturing a controversy that plays on a now indentured fear of Islam that has been cooked up over the last nine years via endless phony “muslim” terror plots and concocted “al qaeda” threats.

    Real muslims are witnesses to a vicious backlash, stirred up and served from this corporate media cauldron, creating the impression they are under attack by non-muslims and forcing them to have to defend their religion, and the whole thing snowballs onwards.”

  7. Anonymous says:

    This is the bit that really confuses me: it’s not a mosque.
    and it’s not at ground zero.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/23/charlie-brooker-ground-zero-mosque

  8. Anonymous says:

    Wow are some of you that blind to the fact that a majority of these people are part of the white america racial mindset, although not admitting to it there actions speak much louder than words. It’s unfortunate, i think those commenting on the title choice are in denial that we still live in a racist society prominently dominated by us “white folks”. I don’t see the point of taking time to find another minority in the crowd to protect our ever so glamourous name. This video really makes me sick that nothing has changed in the past 50 years to understand race and other religious views.

  9. Anonymous says:

    While there were definitely angry, potentially violent people there, I think the crowd deserves some credit for policing itself. Howabout that scrawny guy who stepped in between the fellow in the white cap and the angry guy in the blue hardhat? What about the speaker who intervened? What about the woman who corrected the guy for disparaging Muhammed…she said, “Come on, now, we don’t need that.”
    At any protest there are going to be fringe elements…but you don’t always see that fringe put down by members of the protest itself, as it was in this video.

  10. jonathanpeterson says:

    I’m all for citizens’ rights of free speech. But I do wonder why it is that a media network controlled by a non-American is donating millions to one political party and fomenting violence and revolution.

    Can you imagine Al-jazeera having the access and doing the things to the US that Faux News does daily? I can’t.

  11. Anonymous says:

    Seriously? Those idiots think Underarmor is making Muslim headgear?

  12. Anonymous says:

    Love the chick with the sign that says “Mosque supports Hammas.” WTF does that even mean?

  13. ADavies says:

    Remember: Calling someone a “dumbass motherf**ker” is a god given right for all residents of NYC.

    And as far as I’m concerned, well put.

  14. Oxblood Ruffin says:

    This has been very fun. Really, very fun.

    A black walks through a crowd.

    Anywhere else in the world this gentleman would never, ever be mistaken for a Muslim.

    But in Ignoramus, USA this guy is a stone cold bomb thrower.

    The headline says it all.

    “All y’all dumb motherf***ers don’t even know my opinion on shit.”

    Amen, brother.

  15. Anonymous says:

    stupid, stupid pawns.

  16. wqoq says:

    Are you guys saying Crocodile Dundee lied to me? A guy with a hard hat in a New York crowd is *not* the friendliest one in the bunch!?

    http://movieclips.com/watch/crocodile-dundee-1986/telephone-game/

  17. myke says:

    It seems to me that everyone is focusing on the negatives in this video. Understandably, I think, as I would also disagree with what I consider the ignorance and bigotry displayed. But there is a positive side here.

    Even in a crowd that’s apparently composed in large part of anti-moslem and anti-black sentiment, there were people trying to keep everything calm. Yeah there was a lot of chanting and a couple of people looking for violence, but there were also people stepping in to calm the situation down. And there was a lot of people that look to be just there for the (questionabl IMO) entertainment value: watching/filming/taking pictures.

    Oh, annd Anon #25 way up there, Yeah that one guy stepping in was huge.

  18. Anonymous says:

    This is a extremely racist view foreigners perceive of Americans causing them to be scared of coming to this country. And something should be done about the rally (wait more like a gathering), such gathering similar to KKK. Also it gives a bad name upon Christians. And yes I am a Muslim boy, seventeen and proud of the sect of Islam I am part of. Thank whoever has similar or close opinions on this matter or even a similar matter.

  19. Anonymous says:

    I understand freedom of speech, but where the F**K is freedom of religion.

  20. Anonymous says:

    where can i get a camera with that freaky psychedelic underwater wavy action every time i pan?

    • Anonymous says:

      The Keyword ist “skewing”. Every digital cam with a CMOS Chip (almost all of them) has this Problem with the “Rolling Shutter”. The full Frame isn’t captured at once, but linewise from top to bottom. This takes several milliseconds and the effect caused by cheap and slow sensors is what you like so much. Go, buy a cheap one and some good pills. ;)

  21. Doran says:

    Apparently the guy is a construction worker at Ground Zero. So much stupid un-American, un-Christian hate being displayed by these idiots.

    • Xeni Jardin says:

      Indeed. It’s not the first time bigots have wrapped themselves in the flag, or the cloth of the church. It doesn’t mean America’s bad, or that all Christians are bad, but it sure is frightening out there.

  22. Stefan Jones says:

    Good for him. “M’f” is a succinct description of those idiots.

    I’m glad someone videotaped them showing their true colors.

    I find myself thinking highly of Ron Paul this morning, who said on the subject of the “Ground Zero Mosque:”

    In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.

    They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. . . Defending the controversial use of property should be no more difficult than defending the 1st Amendment principle of defending controversial speech. But many conservatives and liberals do not want to diminish the hatred for Islam — the driving emotion that keeps us in the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia. . . .

    The outcry over the building of the mosque, near ground zero, implies that Islam alone was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the nineteen suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. . . . . This is all about hate and Islamaphobia.

  23. simonbarsinister says:

    The ignorant ass in the blue construction hat not only got in the man’s face, but if you watch he follows the man after he leaves. He wanted a fight and he didn’t really care if he got the “right guy”.

  24. Hanglyman says:

    Although it’s refreshing that they’re not even trying to hide their bigotry anymore, these people seriously scare me. These are brownshirts just waiting for a leader, and they comprise a shamefully large portion of the United States population.

  25. Veldcath says:

    For those of us who can’t get access to YouTube while at work, can anyone tell why it was “the wrong hat”?

    • seyo says:

      He is wearing a skull cap (made by Under Armor) which looks like it could be confused for a Muslim style beanie by rabid, raging mouthbreathing xenophobic racist bigoted assholes, such as those present at this rally.

    • Anonymous says:

      the guy was wearing a white underarmor branded skully. looks like u could only tell it was a commercial cap by the relatively small logo on the front. im guessing most of them just saw the white cap looking similar to what most devout Muslims wear so they got heated. Overall I agree that the pure hatred going on here was pretty scary…the idiot with the sign that read mosque supports hamas just out right p*ssed me off…just so ignorant…ugh!

    • Anonymous says:

      because it looks like a taqiyah. The hat worn by muslims. Although i never knew underarmor was a muslim company lol. It would be funny, if those people werent so scary ( and by them i mean the angry mob, whatever race, color, or creed)

    • Anonymous says:

      He was wearing an Under-Armour cap that very closely resembled a Muslim Kufi, and because of it, he was basically accosted.

  26. Chuck says:

    This next stage of the counter-protest will feature a bunch of people wearing those Under Armour caps, carrying signs reading “WE MUST PROTECT THIS HOUSE!”

  27. Teller says:

    An all-white crowd? Was the writer of that headline at the protest and why was he or she racial profiling everyone?

  28. Shithead says:

    Why is it that in our (USA) culture today it is ok for it to be “open season” on Mexicans and Muslims? This is no different than the Klan rallies of yesteryear.

    It makes me sick to my stomach the way my country treats people that aren’t WASP. People forget over the generations that our descendants were immigrants and many came here “illegally”. Many people also forget that Muslims are like any other people except their religious beliefs are different. The typical comment I hear is that the Muslims are terroristic killers. The people saying this are Christians, the bloodiest religion in the history of this planet!

    What next? Lynching atheists? Here I am, the most non-religious person you will ever meet. Better start hating me know because I am not like YOU.

    • Trotsky says:

      The most bizarre aspect of America’s melting pot ethos is that people who are not white adopt a white persona of bigotry. They elect themselves into the tribe. A Stockholm syndrome of racial self-hate. That’s where some Latinos and blacks imagine themselves as full members of the all-white clubhouse because they are tolerated in the tent for a time, usually based on their value as pawns or tokens to deflect accusations of homogeneity and exclusion.

      Of course, racism is not endemic to whites, but obviously in the US whites have and are primarily responsible for racist actions, sentiments, and codified policies of exclusion. And the concept of race itself is not a valid biological classification, but rather cultural and completely subjective. We’re all Homo sapiens with phenotypic distinctions which are primarily cosmetic.

      It’s just interesting that people largely decide to define themselves as “white” or so-called legitimate salt-of-the-earth Americans even if they don’t fit the traditional template. There is a definite stratification within racial categories such as light-skinned or darker skinned blacks, and Latinos differentiate between the debased or less evolved members of their group based primarily on skin color or other characteristics which are considered inferior for whatever reason. Asians too, of course. All humans in their own way.

      Mostly it’s about deciding who is not right and excluding them. The people in that crowd (overwhelmingly white, as inapt as that classification may be) definitely responded in a reflexive demeanor of exclusion against that man based purely on his skin color first, and to a lesser extent his hat. But the hat was only a modifier for the first and most prominent element that caught their attention: his skin, and the unacceptable, menacing, and subversive preponderance of melanin that it contained therein in defiance of all that is right and holy in our sacred and special republic of faux Anglo-Saxon Christian warriors. No, not the hat.

      That’s racism, naked and plain.

      BTW, the big dude who spoke to the crowd at the end? That particular strain of conservatives has an obsession with Aryan purity and the vigor of manly men and womenly women. That’s why the female talking heads on FOX are all Barbie dolls and the men that are trotted out as physical exemplars of the species generally are held in greater favor (Coulter and Schwarzenegger).

      That’s one of the primary reasons the Bush administration cocked up the Pat Tillman atrocity so thoroughly. They wanted to collectively blow their conservative load all over his iconic legacy, but were rudely rebuffed by inconvenient and damning facts. Imagine if the Tillman family had cooperated in the cover-up and the tall tale had held up. Today, everyone in that Teabagger crowd would be wearing Tillman-emblazoned shirts and hats. He’d be the anti-Che.

      Note that the crowd surrounding that big dude were largely nebbish, old, weak, not at all like the muscular superman who towered over them representing all of the soldiers, firemen, construction workers and other masculine totems for American virility. They want to see themselves in that man. As strong and unbending, powerful, robust and healthy.

      Of course, they are nothing like that.

      The other aspect of this is that young black men are considered the gold standard for virility in modern America, and increasingly around the globe. Through sports and entertainment, this persona has been promoted to excess and that’s also something deeply resented by that crowd. The bling-bling, getting pussy demeanor of some directly fuels the backlash focused against a LeBron or Kobe. A lot of people in that crowd can barely afford medical treatment for their hemorrhoids and bad back, so the vitality of our new American president galls them acutely. They feel the weight of their mortality pressing down on them. They know they are obsolete.

  29. Shazbot says:

    Can we get a transcript or something? None of the sound in that video made a lick of sense to me. Too much shouting.

  30. Trotsky says:

    >> There is not a face or a palm big enough for what is going on in the US right now.

    People need to get over the “what is happening in America NOW” thing. America has always been this way. Always.

  31. akaaudio says:

    I could not hear a word that was said… Who was videotaping it with the professional looking cameras? I want to see that angle…

  32. kimnbri says:

    It’s THEIR America. They can say whatever they want. Not every opinion is correct but we are still allowed to openly voice it. Hard hat or no hard hat if someone calls me a Motherf—er they better be ready to back it up with their fists as well.

    • WiredEarp says:

      Really? Your response to words that offend you is to fight?

      You need to evolve some.

      The real heroes of this event were:

      a) the black man for not escalating the situation as he must have wanted to (smart move)

      b) the white guy who got between him and the guy with the hardhat. Brave move buddy, and good on you for doing the right thing and trying to defuse things

      c) the numerous other everyday people who did the same thing (defended the black guys rights).

      The villains:

      Mainly that idiot in a blue hard hat. What a DOUCHE.

    • kramski says:

      wait… wait… you are saying they can say whatever they want to but he can’t can’t call him what he wants without receiving violence as a response? I think you may have a problem there

    • seyo says:

      No it’s not THEIR America. It’s EVERYONE’S America. Get that through your thick skull and into that tiny place where your brain allegedly resides.

    • Xopher says:

      It’s THEIR America. They can say whatever they want. Not every opinion is correct but we are still allowed to openly voice it. Hard hat or no hard hat if someone calls me a Motherf—er they better be ready to back it up with their fists as well.

      How about if I call you ass, fool, idiot, moron, jerk, halfwit? See, those are my honest opinion of you. I’m entitled to voice it, but you’re entitled to start a fistfight if I do? How does that differ from mob rule, exactly?

    • futbol789 says:

      Yeah, that’s about right.

      Internet tough guys usually weigh in on the side of the dickhole instigating the fight in the first place.

      You’re totally right that that one motherfucker should be offended that someone accurately labeled his stupid dumb motherfucker behavior correctly.

      Also, thanks for chiming in to defend the rights of bigots to engage in fisticuffs because “Words is hard.”

    • snakedart says:

      Hard hat or no hard hat if someone calls me a Motherf—er they better be ready to back it up with their fists as well.

      May you get your wish someday soon, you kneejerk motherf—er.

    • Anonymous says:

      “Hard hat or no hard hat if someone calls me a Motherf—er they better be ready to back it up with their fists as well.”

      Christ, what an asshole mutherf__ker!

    • Anonymous says:

      kiminbri, I’m pretty sure if “they can say whatever they want” then whomever wants to also has every right to call you a “Motherf—er” without any physical repercussions. Didn’t you ever hear that whole “sticks and stones things” when you were little? Wow, if you blow up that much over words I hope you spend as little time as possible speaking to people.

    • Anonymous says:

      Not every opinion is correct but we are still allowed to openly voice it. Hard hat or no hard hat if someone calls me a Motherf—er they better be ready to back it up with their fists as well.

      So, everyone should be allowed to openly voice their opinion about people, unless it’s about you in which case you are willing to shut them up by violence. Nice principled stand.

  33. Anonymous says:

    What happened to America? Free religion and the founding fathers? How does a country get so wealthy and then lose all that wisdom?

  34. remthewanderer says:

    Come on Xeni! “an all-white anti-mosque rally”. We’re you there or just a racist?

    • Xeni Jardin says:

      I’m sorry, did you find black people in the video, other than the gentleman being swarmed by the self-describe “anti-mosque” white folks? Do get back to me on that.

      • seyo says:

        Xeni, there may not be any people of color in this video, but unfortunately there were some among the protesters:

        http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014410-503544.html

        The lady holding the sharia sign wearing a white hard hat appears to be a Latina. Doubly sad when you consider that she will be the next target.

        @Zadaz – yeah, many of these people made the trip from places like West Virginia to come harass us here in NYC.

      • Teller says:

        It’s NEW YORK CITY. There’s not an all-white crowd even at hockey games. And is your idea of all-white “not black”? What about the rest of us? Really ridiculous statement.

        • Brainspore says:

          I thought I might have spotted a latino or an asian person somewhere in that crowd but it was hard to tell from the quality of the video. Still, you have to admit that was a remarkably white group of people for one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. I’ve been to many family reunions that were less racially homogenous.

  35. scdevine says:

    To the people above who use the word “scary” and “frightening” in their comments:

    “Be Thou Not Afraid.”

    Jesus was a Good Muslim.

  36. Anonymous says:

    LOL-it’s one of those white Under Armour skull caps:
    http://www.svsports.com/store/images/cart/Under-Armour-UA-Mesh-Skull-Cap-ItemImg_2305084.jpg

    “…They’re going to try and make us look like racists-don’t feed into it!!” No ma’am, religous intolerance doesn’t equal racism, but the two go hand-in-hand.

  37. Simon Kennedy says:

    Wow, similar to many protests, a fairly impressive display of hatred being vented at rather vague notions (this time, ill-informed, vague notions of mosques and Muslims). Obviously, properly identifying their supposed enemy was of very little importance. (Oh wait, why was Iraq invaded again?)
    In defence of this particular mob, a large crowd of white protesters is a pretty stupid thing to walk into. They’re incapable of reasoned thought. Best to stay away unless you’re trying to make a point .. oh I see .. many thanks to brave dude making a point.

  38. Antinous / Moderator says:

    As far as I can tell, you’re not actually fighting about anything. Compose yourselves.

  39. Cowicide says:

    The only good that’ll come out of this whole mosque thing is now maybe some of you progressives will understand why I am a seething pit of anger when it comes to dealing with conservative dumb motherfuckers all these years.

    I’m glad they are showing their true colors for all the world to easily see because it’s better to know your enemy.

    It’s time to face the hard facts. These people ARE our enemy and I’ll be glad when you guys come around and realize there has been and continues to be a very REAL fight on our hands whether you participate or act like a coward and sit on the sidelines.

    This is… WAR.

    Are you going to let them win or finally join the fight?

    • Brainspore says:

      The only good that’ll come out of this whole mosque thing is now maybe some of you progressives will understand why I am a seething pit of anger when it comes to dealing with conservative dumb motherfuckers all these years. (…) This is… WAR.

      Bad choice of words. One thing I hate most about the dumb motherfuckers who do stuff like this is their eagerness to declare “war” on everything.

      War is a very bad thing. It has a body count, consumes a huge amount of resources and dehumanizes the people on both sides. That’s why I oppose wars in general and “war on [noun]” in particular whether that noun be “drugs,” “terror,” or “conservatives.”

      • Cowicide says:

        War is a very bad thing. It has a body count

        You don’t seem to understand that we’re already there.

        Just because the bodies aren’t piling up in your own backyard and bombs aren’t being put in your place of worship, and maybe your human rights (and health) aren’t being directly threatened (as far as you know) I guess you want to call all this something besides “war”.

        Will “altercation” fit more nicely for you? sigh……..

        • Brainspore says:

          Just because the bodies aren’t piling up in your own backyard and bombs aren’t being put in your place of worship, and maybe your human rights (and health) aren’t being directly threatened (as far as you know) I guess you want to call all this something besides “war”.

          I want to call it something other than “war” because once you accept that term you can justify terrible things like, say, killing people on the other side without giving them the benefit of due process.

          Why do you think they don’t call it the “concerted effort to curb the use of drugs?” Because people would give them guff for bombing civilians in Columbia, that’s why.

          • Cowicide says:

            I want to call it something other than “war” because once you accept that term you can justify terrible things like, say, killing people

            Like I said, they are ALREADY killing people and/or supporting the killing & widespread suffering of people in this country and the world. It’s already war whether the term makes you uncomfortable or not. The deaths are already here and counting.

            I agree with you that we can certainly do without “the war on drugs”, “the war on terror” and all that hype “war” bullshit to justify corporatists doing evil corporatist shit.

            But, I’m talking about the literal war we are in right now that is very literally costing lives and widespread human suffering right now.

            We’ve got enough newspeak going around already, thanks. It’s war. To call it anything else is absurd and discounts the gravity of the situation.

            Now go play some cards and forget about how terrible this “situation” is.

          • Brainspore says:

            Like I said, they are ALREADY killing people and/or supporting the killing & widespread suffering of people in this country and the world.

            Yes, because they got the whole world to play into their bullshit “war on terror,” a phrase I will challenge to my dying day. I’m not helping their cause by perpetuating the fallacy that wars on nouns are possible, let alone winnable.

          • Cowicide says:

            Yes, because they got the whole world to play into their bullshit “war on terror,” a phrase I will challenge to my dying day.

            You didn’t read the rest of my post, I guess.

          • robulus says:

            Brainspore probably isn’t able to offer the clarity you seek, because your posts are just a bit too foamy at the mouth and mad.

            It’s clear you’re alluding to something, but you’ll need to narrow down “all this” a bit to improve discussion. Do you mean Christians, Muslims, Iraq, Afghanistan, Goldman-Sachs, Republicans, Democrats, Nazis, Communists or Monato?

          • Cowicide says:

            Brainspore probably isn’t able to offer the clarity you seek, because your posts are just a bit too foamy at the mouth and mad.

            Or because he didn’t read the rest of my post.

            It’s clear you’re alluding to something, but you’ll need to narrow down “all this” a bit to improve discussion. Do you mean Christians, Muslims, Iraq, Afghanistan, Goldman-Sachs, Republicans, Democrats, Nazis, Communists or Monato?

            If you don’t know by now… you’ll never know.

            Bye.

          • robulus says:

            If you don’t know by now… you’ll never know.

            Oh OK. So you’ve got a rare insight into the life and death struggle for supremacy we are all faced with, but you can’t be bothered sharing the details with anyone who’s not savvy enough to have figured it out from your angry ranting by themselves.

            I’ll take that on board.

            Also I meant Monsanto. Monato is quite a nice wildlife park. Going to war with Monato would be silly, and needlessly cruel to animals.

          • Cowicide says:

            Oh OK. So you’ve got a rare insight into the life and death struggle for supremacy we are all faced with, but you can’t be bothered sharing the details

            Here’s an insight. You’re wasting my time with a straw man argument. I’ve already shared details. If you won’t bother to find/read them, then why do you instead go through the bother to harass me?

            The latter has been and will continue to be unfruitful for you. I will only continue to aggravate and puzzle you with your current methodologies, trust me.

            [cow gives robulus a kiss on the forehead and dances sexily out the door ]

          • robulus says:

            Straw man eh? I didn’t think I’d proposed that much substance. More of an inert gas man.

            Anyway, I’m harrassing you because your comments seemed rhetorical and hyperbolic, but I much prefer the tone now.

            Except I have to go and wash my forehead.

          • Brainspore says:

            Or because he didn’t read the rest of my post.

            No, I read it. I just can’t tell what the hell you’re talking about when you get that worked up.

            Ironically I think we probably agree on almost everything but semantics (and possibly a call for violent revolution if that’s what you’re advocating) but it’s hard to tell with that much spittle flying around.

          • Cowicide says:

            possibly a call for violent revolution if that’s what you’re advocating

            No. I’ll leave that to the tea baggers. While beating the shit out of some of these more malevolent tea baggers might feel pretty good in the short term, violence against them won’t do anything but martyr the zealots and strengthen their fanatic base.

            Ironically I think we probably agree on almost everything but semantics

            And I hate arguing semantics, especially with someone I agree with in principal. So there!

            ;D

          • Brainspore says:

            Ditto what robulus said. Are we at “war” with the Tea Party? If so does that mean it’s OK to shoot them on sight? That doesn’t sit right with me.

  40. Zadaz says:

    “This” isn’t America. Yeah, it happened in America, and they were probably mostly Americans, but these are just a small subset of dumbmotherfuckers.

    And in America you have the right to be a dumbmotherfucker. And I support that, no matter how dumb you are or you strive to be.

    However you don’t have the right to harass people on the street just because they’re different.

    I’m going to assume that none of the antagonists in this video are from anywhere near New York. People who live in Big (Diverse Cities are smart enough not to pull shit like that.

    • marilove says:

      And in America you have the right to be a dumbmotherfucker. And I support that, no matter how dumb you are or you strive to be.

      You support a mob of racist, angry people surrounding one man? He was threatened. By a mob of angry racists. And you support that?

      This isn’t a group of people protesting. This is an angry mob ready to pounce on an innocent bystander.

      I don’t support this shit. I support one’s right to voice their opinions, but no one has a right to harass anyone.

      This is deplorable, and everyone here trying to justify and defend it is an idiot.

      • Hawkviper says:

        You’re conflating two things. One can abhor racism while defending someone’s right to be racist.

        • futbol789 says:

          You’re conflating constitutional rights and moral rights.

          People have the constitutional right of free speech to protect them from government reprisal. They do not have a legal right to incite mob violence.

          I judge that people do not in fact have a moral right to be racist.

          Near as I can tell, these rights do not conflict. I see no need to defend a person’s so called (imaginary) right to be a racist jackhole.

  41. merwin says:

    The guy was wearing this:

    http://www.underarmour.com/shop/us/en/mens/accessories/headwear/skull-caps/pid8000054-Mesh-Skull-Cap/8000054-100

    Apparently the anti mosque crowd doesn’t recognize Under-Armour.

    • philomousos says:

      It’s a bit suspicious that blue-hardhat dude didn’t recognize the cap as something workmen often wear under a hardhat….almost as if he’s not what he seems…

      • Art says:

        I had the same impression.

        It’s almost as if the blue hard hat guy was a plant -or- a shill of some kind. His presence and actions seemed phony.

      • WorkingDead says:

        It’s also a bit suspicious that his hard hat didn’t have his name, a company logo, or any other number of stickers that people who actually wear hard hats have. Looks more like a prop for someone trying to look like common folk than anything.

        • Art says:

          Exactly right!

          The pristine hard hat seemed freshly rented from a prop shop.

          • 2k says:

            I seriously doubt, if I understand what you are suggesting, that protesters could have been coached so as to exude some volkish image.

            And I continue to doubt, if I understand what I imagine to be your further implication, that certain members of the crowd may even have been trained to hermetically seal, then draw, little bubbles of local conflict out of the apogee of the protest by engaging (supposed) threats in highly compelling, nouveau-fascist, street theatre.

          • Brainspore says:

            Why on earth would someone trying to make the protesters look stupid bother going to the trouble to procure a construction helmet? For that matter, why go to the trouble at all when they were doing a great job of making themselves look like intolerant asses already?

          • Art says:

            I know you’re a freakin’ genius, Brainspore, so I am going to allow you to figure my impression out out for yourself. I can’t be bothered.

          • Brainspore says:

            I know you’re a freakin’ genius, Brainspore, so I am going to allow you to figure my impression out out for yourself.

            I don’t mean to insult your stage talent but it’s pretty hard to get impressions over the internet, what with me unable to see your comedic gestures or hear those vocal affectations. Maybe that’s why Robin Williams never had a popular blog.

            Was it Nixon?

          • Art says:

            No, LOL. My impression of the blue hard hat, asshole guy and why I get the IMPRESSION he might be a paid shill. That is: paid to stir the pot of hatred.

            What comes to mind is the ‘Minutemen American Defense League’. They pay morons to stand in front of public places like 7-11, wave American flags, look all apple-pie patriotic, while hoisting signs that reek of bigotry, racism and hatred.

  42. cmjersey says:

    I can’t wait to watch Fox (or any other channel for that matter) and listen for the admonishment against veiled racism in this country…because I’m sure this is more important than whether or not President Obama deserves a vacation……right?

  43. Shithead says:

    >>People need to get over the “what is happening in America NOW” thing. America has always been this way. Always.

    This is sad but true. After all, it is not illegal to be racist.

  44. Anonymous says:

    Just wait til FOXNews gets ahold of this.

    They’ll be insisting that there were over 70,000 protesters present and that the guy was a closeted muslim screaming “DEATH TO AMERICA!!!”, but you can’t quite hear him say that clearly because the liberal media tampered with the tape.

  45. Anonymous says:

    Veldcath-

    The guy in questions was wearing a Under Armour Mesh Skull Cap:
    http://www.underarmour.com/shop/us/en/pid8000054/8000054-040

    They’re made for keeping you cool while wearing a football helmet(or if you are bald), but to the ignorant it looks like a Taqiyah.

    BTW, the dude that came in between him and the hard-hat guy was Huuugeee, unless he was normal sized and everyone else was tiny.

  46. EliZ says:

    If the people building this mosque had anything to do with terrorists, or wanted to strike a blow against America in the eyes of the rest of the world and the less asinine of her citizens, this is exactly how they would want Americans to act.

    The best thing we could do for anti-American / pro Muslim-state actors would be to harass Muslims – especially American Muslims.

    If this Mosque were blown up, burned or any of its adherents assaulted it would be an enormous propaganda victory for many very evil people provided by evil people, all of whom on both sides believe themselves to be on the side of righteousness.

    Of course none of that is lost on those who are constructing this mosque. It’s a blatant provocation and America is letting herself be provoked. Really people, ‘everything I ever needed to know about sensationalist politics I learned on the playground.’

    Let them put a Mosque ON ground zero. Hell build an all-faiths cultural center with free halal / kosher / bible-diet buffet.

    “I and the public know what schoolchildren learn: Those to whom evil is done do evil in return.”

    • seyo says:

      ” It’s a blatant provocation and America is letting herself be provoked.”

      No it’s not. But you choose to see it that way, because you’re an asshole.

    • p96 says:

      Don’t forget no-faith.

      “Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual.” Jefferson, Thomas

  47. futbol789 says:

    It’s the same whiny argument Dr Laura made when her sponsors dumped her because she acted like a racist jackhole.

    My right to free speech was violated. Wah wah. And the same people that want their right defended are the ones who respond to the guy accurately calling the dumb mother fuckers dumb mother fuckers with “Put up your duuukes. Put em up. I’ll punch you now.”

    Violence, I’d like you to meet hypocritical intolerance. Hypocritical intolerance, meet violence. I’m pretty sure this is one friendship that will last.

    Now somebody sing matchmaker before I wreck this place.

  48. Chelvis says:

    yeah, I do believe I see people of asian and latino descent in that video. It being, y’know, New York City and all, a place I have lived for a decade and can assure you is quite diverse.

  49. Stefan Jones says:

    It’s true. The protesters certainly do have a right to say what they want.

    That’s not the point.

    The point is: The video shows the protesters for what they really are: Ignorant, stereotyping, pre-judging, hair-trigger angry bigots.

    This phony controversy is election year fodder for the xenophobic, resentful, fear-driven biddies and bubbas that compose the conservative voting base these days.

  50. the puff says:

    The “mosque” being proposed isn’t even a mosque as such – it’s more like a Muslim YMCA, and it’s open to non-Muslims. The imam overseeing the project is the leader of an inter-faith group and regularly speaks out against anti-Semitism. But of course, people love to flip out when they hear a buzzword like “mosque” and take the opportunity to immediately cease independent thought and inquiry.

  51. Anonymous says:

    Until I had read Frank Rich’s NYT article, I had not realized that the broad media had been serving as an echo chamber, repeating a lie that this was supposed to be a mosque near Ground Zero.

    It’s not a mosque and it’s two blocks away from Ground Zero.

    I am sick and tired of the AP and television media f’ing up the facts.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/opinion/22rich.html

    • z7q2 says:

      I remember when I first heard about this, I was like, mosque near the WTC? That’s interesting. But ten minutes on the internet revealed, no, cultural center that happens to have a prayer space. Nice! Go NYC! Diversity is good. Maybe something good will come out of this. I chuckled at the typical right wing media distortion that turned cultural center with prayer space into mosque, and moved on.

      Now a week later I am saddened and infuriated at not only the right wing media, but the mainstream media as a whole, who have perpetuated and exploded this terrible lie and wittlingly given every hawk, xenophobic shill and intolerant asshole a platform to keep the lie going until the shooting starts and their ratings get a boost from it. NYT Opinion articles aside, they’re ALL calling it the Ground Zero mosque. And just look at that clever syntax – Ground Zero always capitalized, like God or America, and mosque in lowly lower case. They don’t even put quotes around it any more, or lead in with “so-called” like the liberal press did at the beginning. It is now the Ground Zero mosque, set in stone for history to judge us on.

      The FUCK is wrong with people? I tell you, I simply hate these untied states anymore. My ancestors endured an ocean journey in steerage from hungary in 1903 to come here and make steel for this country, and I was born here 60 years later and have never wanted for anything in my life and was brought up to love this country. But I have had it with these moronic yahoos. Why does ANYONE outside of the immediate area of lower manhattan give a flying fuck, or even think they have a say, about what is built there? It’s none of your or my damned business!

      This stupidity is going to tear us apart from within, probably sooner than later. I do not think I want to stick around to watch it happen, either. I do not mind in the least being a rat fleeing a sinking ship.

  52. Blue says:

    Ignorant people are everywhere, not just America.

  53. ill lich says:

    1. Calling 51 Park a “mosque” is like calling the YMCA a “Church”, they may both have prayer spaces, or chapels, but the majority of what they exist for is not prayer.

    2. There was a similar incident a few months ago, where a group of Coptic Christians made the mistake of protesting along with the rabid anti-Muslim crowd, but forgetting that being a middle-easterner makes you a “Muslim” in their eyes. The police had to intervene to escort the Coptics away.

    3. I’m willing to bet that even if the “mosque” gets moved it will get protested yet again, and ultimately there will be violence. Fox News and the angry voice of AM radio is spurring on this anti-Muslim hysteria. There is a real belief that somehow we are going to have sharia law enforced in the US, completely paranoid and illogical as that is. People like Pam Geller are not interested in any kind of tolerance or inter-faith cooperation; they think Islam is evil and should be wiped out.

    • spocko says:

      Can we please think ahead and work to financially punish the people inciting violence?
      I refer to AM radio hosts and any Fox News hosts who suggest violence toward Muslims.

      I focused on this with the rw hosts on KSFO and they lost advertisers and money. This tactic finally resulted in them in firing the hosts. They were still free to spew violent rhetoric on the air, but not to profit from it. And their parent company wanted the profit. So they told the hosts to stop with the suggestions of violence or we will stop giving you money.
      If you want to work against inciting violence in corporate America you need to look to see who is profiting from it and challenge that concept.

      Another concept is when you can link the suggestions of a host to inciting a riot you contact the company that provides the insurance for the broadcasters. Make sure they know that their host is inciting violence and organizing a rally. Suggest that they up the Premiums because of a future potential payout.
      This doesn’t stop the hosts from inciting but it does make the link to financial consequences more clear to the owners.
      Again, this is not about the Government censuring the hosts. The 1st amendment is about what the Government can or can’t do. This is about using market forces to make the case that financially it is bad business to incite riots on the broadcast airwaves.

      • Anonymous says:

        The government can enforce truth in advertising laws and libel laws, though. I am amazed that Fox News does not have problems with them.

  54. Daedalus says:

    So fekkin’ unhappy with my country right now that I gotta use an emoticon.

    :(

    I was wrong. Emoticons cannot express the depth of my sorrow.

  55. Trotsky says:

    Regarding the video, a word to aspiring citizen journalists… first, lose the play-by-play commentary and second, we don’t really want to see up-nose shots of your sweaty mug. Seriously. Let the action speak for itself. Unedited. As much as you can shoot.

  56. Trotsky says:

    Quibbling aside, kudos to the gentleman who took this and uploaded it. A solid A and just mere style points away from an A+.

  57. optuser says:

    To comment on the theme of this scene: remember in LORD OF THE FLIES when the boys are running around on the beach at night with pointed sticks? Look, it’s a monster/Muslim!!

    To comment on a broader topic of private property, who else in NYC wants to step up with a check for $100 million to start a building project that will put people to work and attract more consumers to this location? Anyone?

  58. Bluraven says:

    Thank-you, Xeni for posting this! I think this problem is just a symptom of the greater insidiousness invading America…or, rather, RETURNING: good ol’ fashioned RACISM. All this 9/11 mess is just covering up the fact that racism is alive and well in America, and sadly it’s beginning to swell back to it’s 1960′s era levels of intensity. :(

  59. Another Aaron says:

    The apologists in this thread crack me up. :)

  60. JIMWICh says:

    When I saw the big goofy cornstruction dood looking for a fight, I immediately thought, “Hey, check it out! It’s Quake from Quake cereal!!!!”

  61. strangefriend says:

    Y’know, I think Blue Hard Hat may have violated federal law:’The 1964 Federal Civil Rights Law, 18 U.S.C. § 245(b)(2), permits federal prosecution of anyone who “willingly injures, intimidates or interferes with another person, or attempts to do so, by force because of the other person’s race, color, religion or national origin” [1] because of the victim’s attempt to engage in one of six types of federally protected activities, such as attending school,patronizing a public place/facility
    , applying for employment, acting as a juror in a state court or voting.’ from Wikipedia
    I hope the FBI are investigating him.

    • Cowicide says:

      I hope the FBI are investigating him.

      Hope in one hand and shit in the other; see which one fills up faster.

      ;)

  62. Anonymous says:

    Thanks – now I have ‘Sabotage’ stuck in my head:

    “Listen all y’all this is sabotage!” sounds about right to me..

    Cancer Bats cover version.

    (Captcha: “horids governance”. Are they using protest signs from the rally as captcha sources??)

  63. Glossolalia Black says:

    I’ll say here what I said in the comments section in YouTube…

    Everybody who watches this video, and their first reaction is, “Americans suck”, please remember: There are a lot of us Americans who resemble the brown skinned gentleman in this video, and we’re just as American as the mouthbreathers who are messing with him. And America isn’t the same country for us as it is for them.

  64. Anonymous says:

    Honestly I find it almost equally troubling that people are focusing so much on the fact that the man “isn’t even a muslim and is just wearing underarmor” as though the mob would be justified in harassing him if he were muslim.

    I am also kind of in an incensed mood because I am watching The Weather Underground doc on Hulu, and while I am against all violence as a rule this protest makes me very sympathetic to those who want to instigate change for the minority religions and peoples of the US.

    http://www.hulu.com/the-weather-underground

    • Lawrence says:

      Are there ignorant morons in this crowd? Yep.
      Are there just as ignorant morons in these comments? Yep.
      To @Anom – who said “I am also kind of in an incensed mood because I am watching The Weather Underground doc on Hulu, and while I am against all violence as a rule this protest makes me very sympathetic to those who want to instigate change for the minority religions and peoples of the US.”

      —-YOU are a much bigger problem if this is true.

      Violence against your own country’s citizens makes you a radical.

      • Anonymous says:

        Hey, Lawrence, I’m Anon #50, who you replied to and called a “much bigger problem.” QUESTION: in what way does being incensed while watching a documentary about radicals who were trying to make change, believing they were right but in the most hypocritical of ways, and then saying I felt sympathetic towards those who want to instigate change (at no time during which did I say I supported the violence of it, in fact said I was against violence), why does that make me a bigger problem? I would never hurt or kill anyone purposefully. No one. If there isn’t a peaceful solution to something, well, then that sucks for me, because I would be not really at all psychologically prepared to fight. It’s not in my nature. I feel bad killing insects in my house.

        You seem to have confused my words with actions. Because, well, if violence against my country makes me a radical, then I am not a radical. I have never even thought about acting violently against my country or its peoples. I HAVE thought sympathetically towards those who you labeled “radicals,” who saw a war being fought in the 60′s and 70′s and a government that started it that they disagreed with, that was persecuting or holding prejudices against minorities, and they fought back. But sympathy does not equal vindication, and I don’t condone what they did. I don’t condone terrorism.

        But, you know, you’re right. Me on my couch watching a documentary and typing a comment about it on the internet? I am a HUGE problem. I better change my ways before I get scolded again by someone who doesn’t even notice the part of my comment that says I’m against violence. :)

      • Trotsky says:

        >> Violence against your own country’s citizens makes you a radical.

        Violence against anyone makes you a radical.

  65. hassan-i-sabbah says:

    Christ what an asshole motherf*cker….

  66. Anonymous says:

    has there been any kind of juggalo/mosque protester mashup yet? because i do believe if you heard just the harassment and idiocy coming from these sub-humans, they would be pretty hard to tell apart.

  67. Noodlehead says:

    Wow. Who new so many New Yorkers were so keen on saving a run down, old Burlington Coat Factory?

    Some days, I really don’t think this country is worth saving. The ubiquitous angry mob, grunting out nonsense against their own best interest, has become such a tired cliche. For a time, I felt sorry for these people. Now, they only serve as something to ridicule.

    Sadly, if this community center does get built, I can’t imagine it will last long with these motherfucking misguided goons lumbering about. Then, a whole new war against Islam will erupt, and these pieces of unthinking, feculent white trash will buy more patriotically correct magnetic ribbons to show the rest of ‘murika how ‘murican they are.

    The truly pathetic thing about these morons? These dumb motherfuckers were protesting AT Ground Zero and NOT at the location where this community center is going to be built. Had they actually looked at a map and worked out the arcane logistics needed to carry their worthless gibberish to a more relevant location, they might have actually seen how ridiculous this whole protest is.

  68. Boba Fett Diop says:

    There is not a face or a palm big enough for what is going on in the US right now.

  69. hassan-i-sabbah says:

    The guy in the white vest is sure it was a set up by the evil CNN.

  70. genericvox says:

    I currently live in the south. I see/hear this on a regular basis.. well, actually, worse. There’s no hiding their racism down here. There are still Klan rallies here.

    Come to think of it, I should carry my video camera around with me.

    Just in case….

  71. Trotsky says:

    BTW, this sanctified Ground Zero mysticism is precisely the last fucking thing America needs. We haven’t learned anything about the ridiculous centuries long horrors being carried out over sacred trees, rocks, and bones in Jerusalem?

    We really need to make Ground Zero the new Dome of the Rock? That’s just swell.

    Then 1,000 years from now our descendants will still be slitting each other’s throats over some patch of dirt of which they have no connection whatsoever other than being told by their parents and their parents’ parents that the dirt was stained with the holy blood of some forgotten saints.

  72. seyo says:

    The hard hard imagery is a meme from Nixon’s Silent Majority which is clearly being revived by the right in this instance.

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