Unintentionally funny video challenging Barack Obama's citizenship

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  1. jasonsanders says:

    At first I thought I was watching a video narrated by the Red Panda (Canada’s only superhero).

  2. TiwazTyrsfist says:

    Speaking as a card carrying republican, and an out-spoken critic of Barack Obama, I can say only this…

    JESUS CHRIST GIVE IT A REST ALREADY!

    We Lost!
    Shut up already!
    You’re just making us look bad!
    Even if you could provide full motion HD Video of Barack Obama eating a live human child it wouldn’t change anything at this point.

    You need to stop being idiots, stop pointless smear campaigns, grow up, deal with it, and start working on a plan for the next election.
    Here’s a tip, lets work on getting a better candidate next time.

    Barack has won, he’s our president (though not in office for a little under a week yet), and we need to support him, if we’re going to get this country back on track.

    Stop doing things that make us look like crazy people and start focusing on making the economy not suck.

  3. buddy66 says:

    Your a conspiracy theorist.

    No! At’sa not’a my conspiracy theorist!

  4. Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Community Manager says:

    This gets so bizarre. Look at “fack” #2 in ProkrasX8′s first comment:

    Fck: Hwn stt lw wll ss lgl brth crtfct bsd nly n hrsy vdnc.

    (“Fack: Hawaiian state law will issue a legal birth certificate based only on hearsay evidence.”)

    That’s nonsensical on the face of it.

    Near as I can figure out, what Hawaiian law actually does is allow a felony case to start by a probable cause determination using hearsay evidence. Here’s a discussion of it, which says that thirty-seven states have that same procedural law.

    Issuing a birth certificate is nothing like making an initial probable cause determination in a felony case. And yet, when I did a quick Google search, I found site after site solemnly reporting that Hawaii will issue an official birth certificate based solely on hearsay evidence.

    Zyodei, I can tell you what the problem is: Obama was certified as a legitimate candidate in every way that the law requires. He has already been entirely transparent about it. It’s a settled issue. Any questions about his citizenship have long since been answered in full.

    Nevertheless, nutbars keep pretending that his qualifications are in question, and manufacturing high-bogosity “reasons” to justify their preferred position. There’s no reason for us or anyone else to waste time pretending those arguments are well-founded.

  5. Takuan says:

    I’m sure any aboriginal American people reading this find it hysterically funny. Well, except for their grandparents being exterminated of course.

  6. lautaylo says:

    @77 Zyodei:

    An official document has been produced and certified by legal authorities. Obama is under no requirement to produce his original birth certificate, so why all the fuss? I have nearly lost my original copy but somehow managed to keep it. If I had lost it, would I be subject to such scrutiny upon applying for high office?

    The point is that it’s ridiculous for Obama to have to defend himself against this unfounded claim when the true burden of proof lies on the accusers. And no, the “eyewitness account” of a confused Kenyan grandmother who speaks precious little English will not do.

    ALSO, Godwin’s law is now in play, so does that mean the thread has reached meltdown temperatures?

  7. Modusoperandi says:

    Yes, Takuan, but that was their fault for standing in the way of (manifest) destiny. Canada and Mexico are next! If native Americans had had the common decency to be American Americans, it would have never happened.

  8. Johne Cook says:

    The piece looks like a Jack Chick tract, sounds like something read by Doyle Redland, and smells like . ;)

  9. Brainspore says:

    I don’t think any of these claims questioning Obama’s citizenship have merit, or would really matter even if they did. Implying that the site of where baby Barack passed through his mother’s birth canal impacts his ability to lead the country is about as nutty as relying on astrology.

    Personally I’d much rather have a president who was born abroad and had to study to become an American citizen than someone who just got it handed to them and thus never bothered learning how the country works. Maybe if Sarah Palin had studied the U.S. citizenship test before the campaign then she would know what the Vice President is supposed to do.

  10. Modusoperandi says:

    prokrasX8 “What is important, is the need for the people of the US and the world to believe that BO is legitimate.”
    But the wingnut crowd will never believe that he’s legit. That’s why they’re wingnuts. Or YECs.

    “The actual facts matter,”
    No, to a wingnut the actual facts are a distraction. That they hold the evidence of the nefarious “them” to a higher standard than they hold their own should set off alarm bells. Again, that’s why they’re wingnuts. Or YECs.

    “…but only inasmuch as they support our consensus reality.”
    Reality is not a democracy.

  11. minTphresh says:

    its just themag, well known al gore hater and right-wing sock-puppet. nothing to see here..

  12. wylkyn says:

    I love the fact that these conspiracy theorists believe that somehow everyone else who desperately wanted to keep Obama from being elected, including very powerful/resourceful Republican politicians, somehow overlooked this simple fact. If only they had known!!!

    If Obama was not a legal citizen, if there was a single shred of evidence or a witness that could cast a doubt on his qualification to run for this office, don’t you think it would have come out at some point during the election?

    No, I’m sorry…you’re right. You are the only one who knows this, and it is imperative that you get this information out there before this sneaky Kenyan destroys our American way of life!

    My Republican party…when did it become crazy town?

  13. prokrasX8 says:

    I support BO and I look forward to positive change. I hope he will not disappoint. The problem I see is that the left is starting to act like the right, now that BO is PE. They make comments without really looking into the facts. Also, logic does not always follow the laws on the books. From my analysis thus far, there is a coverup of something here.

    Fck: B wld nly hv t py $10 t rls th ffcl dcmnt.

    Fck: Hwn stt lw wll ss lgl brth crtfct bsd nly n hrsy vdnc.

    Fck: B’s mm hs cnflctng rprts f hr lctn nd S rsdnt stts n nd rnd th tm h ws brn.

    Fck: lt f ffrt s bng md t sl nd cncl ny ffcl rcrds rgrdng hs brth, bth n th S nd n Kny.

    Fck: Th plntffs n th lwsts hv sttd tht thy wll wthdrw th sts f stbl dcmnttn s prdcd.

    So much for transparency. I still hope for the best. Go team.

  14. bigboing says:

    I would love to see someone make the identical documentary about McCain, only using documentable references and facts.

  15. buddy66 says:

    My grandson made this com-poem when he was sixteen.*

    “In fourteen hundred and ninety-two
    “Columbus sailed the ocean blue.”
    But thirteen thousand years before,**
    The first American came ashore.***

    * His biological father is a Yucatan Indian.
    ** He is a “Clovis-first” advocate.
    *** He subscribes to the “shoreline migration” theory.

    Wanna see his picture?

  16. Secret_Life_of_Plants says:

    Was the unintentionally funny part the line about the Constitution still mattering?

  17. aeschenkarnos says:

    The Constitution clearly states:
    “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President …”

    According to my reading of the wording, this means that no-one who was not a Citizen of the USA, natural born or otherwise, on September 17, 1787 is eligible for the Presidency.

    Don’t you see what this means? The last valid US President was Zachary Taylor!

    (Hey, the same line of reasoning seems to work for the 2nd Amendment …)

  18. Anonymous says:

    “The “burden of proof” do not lie with the accusers. This is not a criminal case. In effect, he applied for a job. If a potential employer asks for your University degree, or questions the veracity of the degree you have handed them, and you tell them to go track it down on their own, you will soon find yourself out on your ear.”

    Well, B.O. presented his credentials, and when those were questioned, referred inquests to the State of Hawaii, which confirmed the veracity of his documents. An employer that refused to believe a university* that confirmed the legitimacy of a candidate’s documents would be providing the candidate with prima facie evidence for discrimination. The employer would have to present additional evidence to show why they still refused to believe the candidate’s bona fides or no one would accept it as a justification for declining to hire the candidate.

    *Not to mention the findings of independent media outlets on the same issue

  19. minTphresh says:

    coldspell, i know, man! those godamn librulz! geez, WTF were they thinkin?

  20. ErikO23 says:

    FACT: the term “Natural Born Citizen” has in the past been defined by US statute to include people born abroad to at least one American citizen.

    FACT: the term “Natural Born Citizen” has not been defined by the courts since Dred Scott.

  21. chgoliz says:

    Nobody in the US has their “real” birth certificate. It is permanently filed in the appropriate governmental office (usually county level). You can have the certificate the hospital gives the parents, AND the original, more complete form that the vital records department sends after the “real” birth certificate has reached them and been processed, AND any number of official certified copies ordered later on for passport applications, etc….but none of us have our actual, real birth certificates.

  22. Jason Rizos says:

    It turns out that one of the most ardent supports of the Obama-not-a-citizen campaign is also a guy who put together a bunch of Bigfoot hoax material.

    http://www.metafilter.com/78015/The-ObamaBigfoot-Connection

  23. JimXugle says:

    What a punchline!

  24. lowflyer says:

    Instead of showing his real birth certificate, Obama hires a small army of lawyers to fight off multiple lawsuits. I guess he has nothing better to do than make the crackpots look silly! Hilarious!

  25. arkizzle says:

    I like the way he says “cidezen” and “cidezenship”.

  26. arkizzle says:

    Buddy, great poem!
    What a clever fella :)

  27. Mark Frauenfelder says:

    > Was the unintentionally funny part the line about the Constitution still mattering?

    Yes, because the guy who made this video thinks that Obama’s election was unconstitutional. Get it? Ha ha ha!

  28. Syd says:

    A. Obama released a “certification given to those born abroad”.

    B. The document is an obvious forgery.

    The document proves their case but is fake? Huh?

  29. Anonymous says:

    That must be what all the voices sound like inside the head of the most committed “conservatives,” who cling to “issues” such as this. And I’m quite sure a good number of them do have voices in their heads.

  30. Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Community Manager says:

    Coldspell @33: name two. Make sure they’re prominent enough to be worth discussing. While you’re at it, pick ones who said that before the nutters started insisting that Obama’s not a citizen.

    Samsam @35, I adore that link:

    Corsi: No, it’s a — there’s been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it’s been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It’s a fake document that’s on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.

    Woot! Photoshop! He can tell from the pixels!

    Most of the objections to the document originally made available on the web boil down to “It’s not a very high-res scan.” How come their Photoshop expert doesn’t know how scan quality affects images?

    My other favorite objections:

    The birth certificate doesn’t have a raised seal.

    No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.

    In the zoomed-in view, there’s a strange halo around the letters.

    Those are all artifacts of the scan quality.

    The document is a “certification of birth,” not a “certificate of birth.”

    Right. Are we to suppose that Hawaii has a separate official form called a “certification of birth” that contains all the information you’d normally expect to find on a birth certificate, yet somehow doesn’t qualify as one? If so, what do you suppose they use it for?

    I love it. These people are so dumb they need intercranial armatures to keep their ears from slamming together.

  31. Mark Frauenfelder says:

    Is a test-tube baby a “Natural Born Citizen”?

  32. Anonymous says:

    Wait wait wait…

    He was born in Kenya?
    and then somehow became an Indonesian citizen…
    So he’s not even a natural born Indonesian citizen!

    This sheds a whole new light on things, and definitely annuls the FACT (we have to put that in all caps now, apparently) that his mother was an American citizen!

    Oh wait, no it doesn’t. Under our constitution, his mother’s citizenship makes him a US citizen no matter where he was born. By these standards, John McCain isn’t a Citizen either (He was born in Panama).

  33. buddy66 says:

    Takuan, I don’t know how to post a picture, no-tech geezer that I am. I have no online stash.

    Sigh.

  34. Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Community Manager says:

    Aeschenkarnos, and everyone else in this thread: comment #51 is the last time the Second Amendment will be mentioned here. Got that? Good.

  35. Xopher says:

    Yes, Buddy, I’d like to see his picture.

  36. Anonymous says:

    The unintentionally funny part is these nimrods with their vast knowledge of the United States dont know where Michigan is. Check the map in the video. LOL

  37. Dillenger69 says:

    If his mom is a citizen it wouldn’t matter if he was born on Mars and his dad was from Vulcan.

  38. Takuan says:

    mail it to Antinous

  39. ErikO23 says:

    what is funny, is that Dred Scott is the only place one might find this man’s definition of the term “natural born citizen”

    IMHO even if he was born in Kenya (which he wasn’t) he is still eligible to be president.

    Personally, i think its time to take the case to the Supreme Court so that the definition of Natural Born Citizen can be rightly codified as anybody born to an american citizen.

    as an american born to two american citizens in Italy i have always thought of the “natural born” clause as rather bizarre. only recently, as a result of this debate, have i become aware of the fact that it is mostly just a myth.

  40. Takuan says:

    (what about the Amendment found between the First and Third?)

  41. mbimotmog says:

    Oh noes, “Indo-NEEEEES-ians”.

    Where can I read more of Dr. Ron Polarik’s penetrating document analysis?

  42. Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Community Manager says:

    ProkrasX8 @50, if that was meant as a joke, post a comment explaining what the point was and I’ll put your vowels back. If it wasn’t meant as a joke, every one of your “facks” was false.

  43. Pixel says:

    The part that amuses me so much about all the the “Obama was born abroad!!” fervor is that McCain was born abroad as well, in Panama.

  44. lomonosov says:

    Obama was born in Hawaii.

    Copy of birth certificate here.

  45. Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Community Manager says:

    Takuan @55, if you draw a line from First to Third, what’s between them is the pitcher’s mound.

  46. Phikus says:

    Where was this guy during the past 8 years of Constitution shredding?

  47. Mojave says:

    More important than where he was born is the FACT that Obama just said he is not interested in pursuing Bush-Cheney for war crimes. W.T.F.?!?!?!?

  48. Anonymous says:

    I for one hope he WAS born as a non-citizen. And that everyone decides that’s ok.

    Which opens the door in 8 years to Arnold being President, how kick-ass would THAT be?? Answer: very!

  49. cory says:

    #12 @lomonosov: Any copies of that that aren’t JPEG? Artifacts around the text make it look fake. Not saying it is, just saying I’d like to see a higher-resolution lossless version.

  50. Phikus says:

    Zyodei@75: Yeah, you know BB is my only source of information, and BB didn’t bother to cover any real constitutional crises in the past 8 years, so I simply missed all the important issues the folks who made this vid have been diligently reporting all this time. Silly me.
    _____

    Ok, actually, this manufactured “constitutional crisis” pisses me off because it seems like a blatant attempt to mirror the real crisis we were all in, in 2000, out of spite. For those who can’t seem to remember back that far, we had a guy declared president by the supreme court, instead of simply counting all the votes, based on the fact that he had already declared himself to be president, and the majority opinion stated it would have done him harm to reverse it. Gore didn’t even concede until the court made this decision.

    Those who were OK with bush coming into office this way, the blowhard pundits and fundies, really need to STFU on this one. Look how we have paid the price for the last 8 years of their blatantly incompetent and illegitimate presidency. Does it really serve the nation to try to disparage O’s credentials at this point? Do they really believe there is someone better qualified who can step in and fix the huge fuck ups caused by the past 8 years of cronie cleptocracy?

    And even as “conspiracies” go, this is very weak sauce. He won. His credentials were certified. This BS is not going to change that, it only furthers partisan animosity at a time when we really need to put differences aside and try to work together to fix this broken country. Get over it. Please, for the sake of the world and having a future, let’s move on.

  51. Takuan says:

    so, who’s on first?

  52. fataltourist says:

    No connection to 9/11? What garbage. I like my crackpots to go for the gold.

  53. my_belly says:

    I’m confused. Why was that Kenyan lady present for his birth in Indonesia?

  54. adamnaranjo says:

    Secret life of Plants,

    “Was the unintentionally funny part the line about the Constitution still mattering?”

    lmao.

    Yeah, apparently that was the funny part. Political cool-aid drinkers (on both sides) think it’s funny to appeal to the constitution.

    Because of the lack of clarity and precedent regarding “natural born” I’m surprised that more citizens are not excited about this ‘controversy’ being addressed by the courts.

    I supposed anyone who wants clarity on the constitution and it’s particular applications is a conspiracy theorist. I love how, rather than addressing the problem, you can now win an argument by using the words “conspiracy theorist”.

    You believe in ________? Your a conspiracy theorist. Yes, I win.

  55. blackhound says:

    The message aside, I’d like to applaud the makers of this commercial for their dandy, documentary-style editing. It’s actually very nicely done.

    #13: Seriously, NOW you’re jumping on the Constitution Protection Committee?

  56. Deidzoeb says:

    #80, You beat me to it, I was going to say it looks like a Chick tract. The still image before playing the video and a few other scenes in the video have a block of black background with white lettering on the left side of the composition, just like the covers of Chick tracts.

  57. Anonymous says:

    MACBETH
    I bear a charmed life, which must not yield,
    To one of woman born.

    MACDUFF
    Despair thy charm;
    And let the angel whom thou still hast served
    Tell thee, Macduff was from his mother’s womb
    Untimely ripp’d.

    MACBETH
    Accursed be that tongue that tells me so,
    For it hath cow’d my better part of man!
    And be these juggling fiends no more believed,
    That palter with us in a double sense;
    That keep the word of promise to our ear,
    And break it to our hope. I’ll not fight with thee.

    MACDUFF
    Then yield thee, coward,
    And live to be the show and gaze o’ the time:
    We’ll have thee, as our rarer monsters are,
    Painted on a pole, and underwrit,
    ‘Here may you see the tyrant.’

    MACBETH
    I will not yield,
    To kiss the ground before young Malcolm’s feet,
    And to be baited with the rabble’s curse.
    Though Birnam wood be come to Dunsinane,
    And thou opposed, being of no woman born,
    Yet I will try the last. Before my body
    I throw my warlike shield. Lay on, Macduff,
    And damn’d be him that first cries, ‘Hold, enough!’

    –Charlie Hussein Shakesper

  58. Modusoperandi says:

    Teresa Nielsen Hayden “Aeschenkarnos, and everyone else in this thread: comment #51 is the last time the Second Amendment will be mentioned here. Got that? Good.”
    But Obama’s gonna take away our guns!


    On a side note, has anyone stumbled across the Right’s posts about “Obama’s extreme abortion stance”? Apparently, he’s gonna bring in FOCA (which lets anyone have abortions any time they want), mandatory human cloning, and will repeal the Hyde amendment (which uses peoples’ taxes on things that they don’t want them to). Outrage!

    Plus, he’s gonna take away our guns!

  59. Kieran O'Neill says:

    @83 Buddy66: Neat poem. It should be an Internet meme.

  60. Takuan says:

    and make teh gay mandatory!

  61. jccalhoun says:

    I was really hoping that some radical right or far left group would come out claiming that not only was McCain born in Panama but that there’s no evidence that his real parents were the McCains — he a Panamanian that was switched at birth with the real John McCain!

  62. tallpat says:

    Awww, geez! I didn’t realize this issue was still getting any play. At one point, I began assembling a list of “offishul birf certifikits” – http://tallpat.googlepages.com/obama_cob

  63. Anonymous says:

    What’s the big deal? Yr last prez (GWB) wasn’t a US citizen either, what with hailing from Republic of Texas?
    and, come to think of it, neither is the Gov of Kalifornia?

  64. grimc says:

    @prokrasx8

    Just because BO hasn’t responded to–and thereby given legitimacy to–a bunch of nitwits doesn’t mean he’s covering anything up.

    I actually think this issue could have negative repercussions for the BO presidency and our national unity if it is not properly addressed. It does not seem to be going away.

    It doesn’t seem to be going away simply because said nitwits haven’t sought professional help and/or received their daily meds.

  65. coaxial says:

    Of course, his mother was always an American citizen…

  66. demidan says:

    FACT! Obama is Arther Dent’s love child, and through an unfortunate accident with a rubber band and a time machine he is now immortal AND
    American!

  67. urshrew says:

    I don’t know. He’s looking pretty snazzy in that coat in the end. I think that’s the only comment I can come up with… the rest of this video is just plain dumb and most of the commenters before me already made the point that he can be born abroad and still be a natural born citizen because he was born to a naturally born citizen.

    But he still looks real snazzy in that coat.

  68. PatGund says:

    Oh, there’s a 9/11 connection – Philip Berg, the lawyer who filed the first lawsuit, is a 9/11 “truther”.

    As for “Dr. Ron Polarik”, a/k/a “Polarik”, that’s not the guy’s real name. He’s a nameless, faceless person who started out claiming to be a graphics expert on Towhall and now is the resident tech god at Free Republic claiming to be a “Forensic Document Expert” with a Ph.D. in “Instructional Media”. Problem is he’s offered no proof of any of this, and REAL Computer Security specialists like Dr. Neil Krawetz have discounted Polarik’s claims as “Bad Science”.

    There’s another “document expert” that isn’t around much but his claims, (like the claim that Maya Soetoro’s name can be found on Barack Obama’s COLB), are still quoted. That’s “TechDude”.

    As for the claim of Indonesian citizenship, US law prohibits a minor from losing their US citizenship despite what a parent may or may not do. Indonesian law prohibits giving an adopted child citizenship if it leads to dual citizenship. Therefore, there’s no way in US law that Barack Obama lost his US citizenship and no way in Indonesian law that Lolo Soetoro could have gotten him Indonesian citizenship.

  69. Anonymous says:

    The city a person is born in keeps their birth certificate information on file, this is for the purpose of government records and also so people can request replacement birth certificates if they lose the original. I’m not sure who has access to the city birth certificates besides the many clerks and managers who work in the city records, but I imagine in the case of an election it is the sort of thing that would be easily checked by the government, the current administration for example. Oh and I’m not sure but I imagine hospitals save everyones birth information. Obama doesn’t have the ability to erase all traces of his birth from the machine. But he doesn’t have to show his birth certificate to YOU if he doesn’t want to either.

  70. sirkowski says:

    You believe in something completly crazy, create facts to prove your point, see all dissenters as part of the enemy’s plot? You’re a conspiracy theorist. Yes, I win.

  71. Modusoperandi says:

    grimc “It doesn’t seem to be going away simply because said nitwits haven’t sought professional help and/or received their daily meds.”
    That sounds just like something that someone who was in on the conspiracy would say!

  72. zyodei says:

    For the record, I feel that this is probably baloney. The factcheck.org article is fairly convincing.

    But, considering he is a candidate running under the mandate of openness and demolishing the era of secrets of the Bush era, I don’t see why he doesn’t take the step of getting an actual photocopy of his physical birth certificate. No, #84 is correct, he doesn’t have his original birth certificate does. But someone does, and whoever does also has a copy machine. I don’t think it would be that hard to do, to ask them to hit the button and run off a couple copies. Here is what one of these looks like:

    http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg

    It is not too hard to change the information contained in a computer, either through administrative means or otherwise. In a show of good faith, he could have put this to rest immediately a year ago, but, for whatever reason, chose not to.

    @78 The “burden of proof” do not lie with the accusers. This is not a criminal case. In effect, he applied for a job. If a potential employer asks for your University degree, or questions the veracity of the degree you have handed them, and you tell them to go track it down on their own, you will soon find yourself out on your ear.

    Maybe it is so his opponents will waste their energy in what will probably turn out to be a fruitless challenge.

    For the record, I don’t think McCain should have been allowed to run either, being born on Panamanian soil and all. But then, I really, really don’t like that guy :)

  73. grimc says:

    @modusoperandi

    You got me–sort of. I’m not part of the Hide Obama’s True Citizenship conspiracy, I’m with the Psychotherapy And Medication Is Really A Scam conspiracy. Tom Cruise has been out to expose us for years.

  74. FoetusNail says:

    Error 404, “verkrampt”, thanks for that interesting journey.

  75. Anonymous says:

    I am still rooting for him to not be an eligible citizen. That way we might be able to overturn some of the more petty rules for being president.

  76. ErikO23 says:

    on this point, the constitution does not matter, since the constitution does not in any way define the term “natural born citizen”.

    what matters is the definition of that term, and there are several that are competing for the distinction of being the one that is recognized by our government.

    but as it stands night now, our government is not recognizing one over the other, thus they are all valid.

  77. Xeno says:

    FACT: THE GOVERNMENT WERE SECRETLY WORKING ON A HIGH FIBRE SO POTENT, IT COULD EXPLODE A MANS COLON AND TAKE OUT A CITY BLOCK

    FACT: ELVIS PRESLEY WORKED FOR THE GOVERNMENT AS A NARCOTICS SPY

    FACT: WHEN CORNERED BY CIA AGENTS DUE TO A DOUBLE CROSS, ELVIS TOOK THIS GOVERNMENT ISSUED HIGH FIBRE BLOWING HIS COLON AND TAKING OUT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

    THE GOVERNMENT QUICKLY COVERED UP THE STORY SAYING ELVIS DYED ON THE TOILET HOWEVER…

    THE DEATHPOO WAS NEVER RECOVERED.

  78. mycroftb says:

    With that voice and tone, I kept wondering when John Freeman was going to come in real fast.

  79. nehpetsE says:

    re: Jason Rizos and
    http://www.metafilter.com/78015/The-ObamaBigfoot-Connection

    Yes Obamo is America’s first bigfoot president!

    And clearly Bigfoots(being the true descendants of Atlantis) are natural enemies of the Lizard aliens.

    but wait… before you celebrate…

    Obama is has made no secret that he is mixed race.

    I smell Lizard-Bigfoot hybryd!

  80. lachlanhunt says:

    I couldn’t care less whether Obama is a natural born American citizen or not. What practical difference does it make in regards to how well he’ll do the job?

  81. Adrian Browne says:

    This citizenship/natural born citizen-thing is irrelevant now since both the Democrats and the Republicans, the people we have all agreed to certify Obama, have signed off on his eligibility:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/9344926/Hawaii-Dems-and-Repubs-Say-Constitutionally-Eligible

    You can’t undo Obama’s eligibility — we’ve already agreed he’s eligible. We wouldn’t have had the election if he hadn’t been certified.

    The people involved have turned it into a cottage industry of asking dupes for money to file lawsuits.

  82. Xeno says:

    FACT: DURING 40′S, A YOUNG ACTOR BY THE NAME OF RONALD REAGAN MADE A TRIP TO CUBA

    FACT: HAVING MET A SENIORITA BY THE NAME OF CASTRO, HE HAD A ONE NIGHT STAND.

    FACT: YEARS LATER HE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM HER ABOUT HOW SHE HAD NAMED HER SON AFTER HIM AND ASKED IF HE WOULD VISIT.

    HE NEVER DID AND TO THIS DAY, A YOUNG FIDEL REAGAN CASTRO BEARS A GRUDGE AGAINST AMERICA FOR THE PAPA THAT NEVER CAME HOME.

    FACT!!!!

  83. error404 says:

    Right….so following the logic here then all children of US armed service personnel born in West Germany or the Phillipines or the UK or Japan since the end of WW2 are not US citizens?

    I love it when clowns wo drape them selves in old glory screw up so badly.

    And when are the crazies just going to drop the pretence of calling Obama a terrorist a communist a socialist a muslim and all the rest and just say what they are actually feeling in their septic venomous little hearts

    Begins with an N, rhymes with BIGGER.

    It’s what the verkrampt old bigots are muttering inside.

  84. Secret_Life_of_Plants says:

    I think maybe people did not understand my bad joke @#1. I just meant that after 8 years of illegal wars and the Patriot Act and FISA etc. it was a little ironic that people were worried about the Constitutionality of Obama’s birthplace.

    Anyone who knows me would know that I really don’t care where a person was born. I’m against nations and borders altogether.

  85. ADavies says:

    Yes, but does Hawaii really count as part of the US? I mean, it’s got water all around it. And I hear can’t even buy Pabst Blue Ribbon there, and no one eats apple pies.

  86. grimc says:

    @prokrasx8

    The nitwits needing medication are Polarik and company. Wasn’t directed at you.

    The State of Hawaii (via their SoS, IIRC) has said that it reviewed the birth certificate and determined that it is legitimate. End of story.

  87. Xeno says:

    FACT: IN 1812, A BUTTERFLY FLAPPED IT’S WINGS

    FACT: IN 1988, I GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL

    FACT: IN 2009, SOMEONE ORDERED A HAM SANDWICH WITHOUT MAYO.

    COINCIDENCE???

  88. Jamie Sue says:

    Fact: I was born in Germany.
    Fact: My mother is a US citizen.
    Fact: I am a US citizen with a “Birth Abroad” certificate that confounds anyone who asks to see it.

    Fact: I voted for Obama in the last Bigfoot election despite not having a Bigfoot party card.

  89. Malgas says:

    @11:

    Yeah, especially since McCain, due to the weird way the law was written at the time, was actually not a US citizen at birth.   He was nearly a year old when a law was passed granting him (and others born to American parents in the Canal Zone) citizenship.

  90. Kieran O'Neill says:

    I’m a little late on this, since the election has died down and the practice has fallen somewhat, but in response to adamnaranjo’s comment (#18) above, I hereby propose Kieran’s Law of Jonestown Analogies :

    “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison to the Jonestown mass suicide via references to Kool Aid approaches one.”

    Seriously people, enough now.

  91. theMage says:

    #101

    Bld brdg nd gt vr t. Even yr wrshpd NYT did their own recount, and guess what? Bush won in 2000 in Florida. It was probably printed on page 56 in small print.

    And, as you argue, the Florida election was certified by the State.

    More importantly, does anyone else notice the narrator sounds strangely like Troy McClure?

  92. lomonosov says:

    @cory

    Of course the certificate could be faked.

    On the other hand, it is reasonable to believe that any such document was vetted by the media and the appropriate officials.

  93. coldspell says:

    Those sound like reasonable questions to me.

    I remember some liberal bloggers questioning John McCain was a “natural born citizen” because he was born in Panama.

  94. Adam says:

    next they’ll be wanting to change the constitution so the gubernator can become president.

  95. SamSam says:

    Cory: FactChack has a number of higher resolution images.

  96. Ari B. says:

    Jamie Sue @30:

    We have the same sort of runaround whenever anyone asks my wife (Born in Canada to an American and a Canadian) if it was difficult for her to get US citizenship after she and I got married.

  97. PrometheusG says:

    To all the people thinking that because he was born to an American citizen, that automatically makes him one:

    The law at the time of his birth was that, if born abroad, at least one parent had to have been a citizen for at least 10 years, and 5 of those over the age of 16. His mother was 18 at the time of his birth; she would have needed to be at least 21 for him to have been granted American citizenship automatically.

    I’m not a conspiracy nut, and I don’t think he’s done anything improper, or that these lawsuits have any merit. I’m just letting you know that WAS the law at the time.

  98. Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Community Manager says:

    Of course Obama was born in Hawaii. Of course his birth certificate is a publicly available document. This video belongs on the list of works that are only believed by people who want to believe them. No one’s ever going to watch it and find themselves reluctantly forced to believe it on the evidence.

    Have we really gotten more than a dozen comments into the thread without anyone mentioning Andrew Jackson?

  99. Anonymous says:

    I haven’t skimmed all the comments, so maybe someone else pointed this out: the narrator’s ridiculous voice comes from the same place that SNL found their inspiration, Plan 9 from Outer Space.

  100. Antinous / Moderator says:

    And when Senator McCain’s eligibility to serve was questioned, the Senate bill to clarify the matter was introduced by Senators Obama and Clinton.

  101. theMage says:

    Sorry 101, I meant #102 PHIKUS

  102. zyodei says:

    So, to play devil’s advocate, here is what they are claiming.

    What has been presented is not an actual, original birth certificate. It is merely a computer printout, called a “short form”, that that certifies that a birth took place, but excludes a lot of the information from the other form. The “long form” has never been presented.

    If the original birth certificate was lost, that’s fine: but, this has never been claimed, there is no comment on the matter. It’s somewhat mysterious why only the short form and never the long form certificate has been presented.

    From the Wikipedia “birth certificates” page:

    Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is usually titled a “Certification of Birth” or “Certificate of Live Birth”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate

  103. Talia says:

    I actually dont think this is funny at all. Its frightening that there’s a sizeable amount of people who believe this. It makes me sick to my stomach that so many of my fellow countrypeople are so mindbogglingly stupid. Its genuinely horrifying.

    Ugh. I’m going to go back to looking at the medical oddities pictures. They make me less nauseous.

  104. Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Community Manager says:

    Mage, that’s an interesting assertion. Given your lack of citations and the gaping holes where you’ve left stuff out, I think you should strive for a milder and more civil tone.

  105. ErikO23 says:

    @40

    where did you get those numbers?

    off the top of my head though, i would posit that the age qualification would only come into play with naturalized citizens.

  106. Mark Frauenfelder says:

    FACK: THE CONSTITUTION MATTERS, EXPECT WHEN ITS CHENEY DOING THE MATTERING.

    FACK!

  107. Anonymous says:

    Has no one bothered to look at the FactCheck page? There are tons and tons of high resolution photos of the birth certificate:

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

  108. Anonymous says:

    I’m still wondering why the term “natural born citizen” is so hard to understand. It means someone who is a citizen by virtue of their birth, as opposed to a “naturalized” citizen.

    Is that really so confusing?

    Anyway, I’m hoping Obama never releases any more information. This story is like flypaper for tin-foil hat morons. Better have them “investigating” this than turning their attention on anything that matters.

  109. airship says:

    He is so obviously NOT a real, natural-born American! Just look at him! His skin isn’t white!

  110. Takuan says:

    why, do you suppose, that those signing the petitions for the above “revelation” are also signing the petitions to change the laws so Ahh-nold could become president next? Are some foreign births better than others?

  111. Anonymous says:

    Even the “grandmother said he was born in Kenya” is bogus. The sites that proclaim this use a clip that cuts off right off the interviewer asks, “were you there when he was born?” and the translator says “yes.”

    Listen to the whole audio, and you will find some interesting things:
    1. The interviewer is terrible. He starts by mixing up generations, talking about “her son, Barack Obama, is running for president of the United States” – nope, it’s her grandson, and he mixes them up more than once in the preliminaries. And it doesn’t help that both son and grandson have the same name. The interviewer does not distinguish between Sr. and Jr. when he asks, “was she present when he was born?”
    2. Immediately after the question and answer above, it is clarified that Barack Obama who is running for president was born in Hawaii in America. Of course Barack Obama Sr. was born in Kenya.
    3. The interviewer persists in asking if Obama was born in Mombasa. This is just nuts. The Obama relatives live in a small village, Nyang’oma Kogelo, on the eastern shore of Lake Victoria. The nearest city is Kisumu, which is fairly close, and next is Nairobi – the capitol and biggest city in Kenya. Mombasa is considerably farther away, about 200 miles more. Why would they go to Mombasa?
    4. The translation is very iffy in that it has to go through two languages. The McCrae tape introduces the translator as an official Swahili to English translator. Sarah Obama speaks Luo.

  112. zyodei says:

    Just a couple more points: peoples should really forget the false left-right divide. It’s fallacious to assume that anyone who doesn’t support Obama must automatically be a bushophile.

    @13 Phikus: Where were they during 8 years of constitution shredding? Entirely likely, they were raising their voice as loud as possible, but they weren’t getting BoingBoing links so you might not have heard them. To me, the most consistent, coherent, and stinging criticisms of Bush came from the right.

    @47 Why the hell do you suppose that these people support amending the Constitution so Arnold can be president? Are you serious? There broad an unfounded characterizations of people you have never met hurt the political process. In reality, we are all more the same than different in this country. Everyone wants freedom and honest government, but people have different ways of measuring it.

    There is a perfectly good reason why foreign born citizens are not allowed to rule a country. It was felt that they are more likely to do it to fulfill personal ambition than to really look out for the interests of their countrymen. To fulfill the time-honored Internet rule, let me remind that both Hitler and Stalin were foreign born: Hitler born in Austria, Stalin born in Georgia (which was part of the Russian empire at the time, but still a different culture). Who wants to see a president Arnold? I sure as hell DON’T. If we laugh off the possibility of an issue like this with Obama, we open the door for Arnold.

    Back to the document, please look at the photo of it. Notice how it says “LASER” in the lower left hand corner. Laser printers did not exist in 1961. Thus, this is not an original document, and that is the whole point. Why can’t the original be produced? It is simply a print up of whatever is in the computer system. As anyone who has analyzed the last two election cycles can attest, it very easy to change what is in a computer system without leaving a trace.

  113. Phikus says:

    Zyodei@75: Yeah, you know BB is my only source of information, and BB didn’t bother to cover any real constitutional crises in the past 8 years, so I simply missed all the important issues the folks who made this vid have been diligently reporting all this time. Silly me.
    _____

    Ok, actually, this manufactured “constitutional crisis” pisses me off because it seems like a blatant attempt to mirror the real crisis we were all in, in 2000, out of spite. For those who can’t seem to remember back that far, we had a guy declared president by the supreme court, instead of simply counting all the votes, based on the fact that he had already declared himself to be president, and the majority opinion stated it would have done him harm to reverse it. Gore didn’t even concede until the court made this decision.

    Those who were OK with bush coming into office this way, the blowhard pundits and fundies, really need to STFU on this one. Look how we have paid the price for the last 8 years of their blatantly incompetent and illegitimate presidency. Does it really serve the nation to try to disparage O’s credentials at this point? Do they really believe there is someone better qualified who can step in and fix the huge fuck ups caused by the past 8 years of cronie cleptocracy?

    And even as “conspiracies” go, this is very weak sauce. He won. His credentials were certified. This BS is not going to change that, it only furthers partisan animosity at a time when we really need to put differences aside and try to work together to fix this broken country. Get over it. Please, for the sake of the world and having a future, let’s move on.

  114. buddy66 says:

    President Arnold?? We’ve already had one prematurely orange president from California.

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